More on Lewis Carroll as JTR

[admin]

http://dev.null.org/psychoceramics/archives/1996.11/msg00014.html

[Karen]

Why is this letter-scrambling poet still a suspect? I mean really!! Much too old, much too meek, and not qualified to perform extremely complex surgical procedures.

[admin]

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a970307a.html

You've always heard about these, but have you ever seen them?

[How Brown]

Hey,maybe there's something to these anagrams...



Bet I beat my glands til,
With hand-sword I slay the evil gender.
A slimey theme; borrow gloves,
And masturbate the hog more!

I can relate to the masturbatin' hog part...:rolleyes:
Isn't that the national sport of Wales?

[admin]

http://billworld92683.tripod.com/id25.html

[Bill]

Clearly Lewis Carroll is innocent. The 'evidence' is so weak as to be laughable - and to prove it I am laughing as I write.

However, I have a theory of my own - soon to be the subject of a book, film, and branded nursery-wares.

For anyone who has not heard of A.A Milne, he was the creator of the Winnie the Pooh stories, and I believe it is in these seemingly innocent tales of a stuffed bear that the evil mind of a mass murderer found refuge.

Milne made famous the art of the 'misheardastood', a cunning way of misrepresenting a word, so that its meaning remains clear to the initiated, while bearing very little in common with the actual word. A prime example is when Pooh and Piglet go hunting 'woozles' and 'heffalumps', rather than weasels and elephants.

Hence, when Milne writes about Pooh's obsession with honey, he was actually writing about his own obsession with 'cunny'. If you then recall Pooh is often stealing this 'honey' from under the nose of 'bees' (clearly the 'poleez/police), then the depths of Milne's villainy becomes all too clear.

Obviously the work of unravelling Jack's trail through Milne's extensive writings, both in the Pooh stories, and his collections of children's rhymes will take some years, and any help from fellow members will be much appreciated.

[Robert Linford]

I know little of Milne, but I note that "The House At Pooh Corner" is probably meant to read "Pooh Coroner," though "Poo Corner" is possible, being a sneering allusion to Ripper Corner in Mitre Square and the associated faeces.

"Now We Are Six" confirms that Tabram was part of the series.

"Portrait Of A Gentleman In Slippers" is a desperate attempt to throw the blame on Leather Apron.

[Robert Linford]

If we look at the name "Milne," we see that it's an anagram of "limen" which is the Latin for "threshold." Evidently Milne was challenging the police to deduce the identity of the Goulston St writer.Unfortunately for Milne, one man, MJ Druitt, did just that and had to be silenced. Note however the manner of Druitt's death - an extremely sinister game of Pooh sticks. Milne's twisted sense of humour didn't fail him even here.

[Bill]

My dear Linford

Breakfasting on a dish of cold curried eggs in our old rooms above the massage parlour in Baker St this morning, I was moved by two things: one being the eggs, the other being the sheer brilliance of your 'Pooh Sticks' deduction in relation to the unfortunate Druitt.

I went immediately to my copy of Winnie the Pooh, and believe I have discovered yet more evidence, cunningly hidden in the original chapter titles:

Chapter One: in which we are introduced to Winnie-the-Pooh and some bees, and the stories begin.

Notice the chilling similarity in the names Winnie-the-Pooh and Jack-the-Ripper.
'Bees', as I have already pointed out, clearly refer to the police.
But possibly most interesting of all, note Milne's choice of the word 'stories', rather than just 'story', indicating he clearly intends a 'series of events' rather than a one off.

I shall be busy the rest of the morning working on the case of the Hudson Cherry, but I expect a break-through soon, and hope to return to Milne by this afternoon.

[Mike Covell]

Pooh has an abundance of Honey Pots, and the ancient Egyptians kept organs in pots, did Milne have a collection of organs in pots?

:faint:

[Bill]

Pooh has an abundance of Honey Pots, and the ancient Egyptians kept organs in pots, did Milne have a collection of organs in pots?



Interesting ... very interesting. It had never occurred to me that there might be an Egyptian link, but of course it would make perfect sense. A careful study of Milne's life and works reveals that Egypt plays absolutely no part in either. Therefore, what would any intelligent serial killer base his MO on, but that very thing.

I feel the net is drawing about Milne with an almost frightening surety.

[Mike Covell]

In ancient Egyption Heiroglyphics the "Owl" was said to represent "M"

Owl was the wisest of the bunch in 100 Acre Wood.

The Letter "M" features in several Ripper Letters,
The Letter "M" features in several of the victims names,
The Letter "M" features in the names of several of the murder scenes,
The Letter "M" is said to feature on MJK's wall,

Out of interest, the heiroglyphics below are said to represent
"Jack the Ripper"

http://www.quizland.com/hiero/j.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/a.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/c.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/k.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/th.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/e.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/r.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/i.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/p.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/e.gif http://www.quizland.com/hiero/r.gif

[Robert Linford]

Gentlemen, the Egyptian connection is indeed intriguing. In this regard, let us consider the Egyptian goddess Isis and her brother god Wafers - a tie-in with the Seaside Home?

It is also worth remembering that the woman allegedly murdered at Christmas 1887 has no name but Fairy Fay to identify her. Did the killer take not only her earthly life but her eternal life too, by destroying her name? Was JTR a PSK - a Posthumous Serial Killer?

[Mike Covell]

Egyptions removed the brain via the nose prior to embalming, most ripper suspect books read like the writer has had his/her brain removed via the nose prior to writing!

[Bill]

Gentlemen, the Egyptian connection is indeed intriguing. In this regard, let us consider the Egyptian goddess Isis and her brother god Wafers - a tie-in with the Seaside Home?

It is also worth remembering that the woman allegedly murdered at Christmas 1887 has no name but Fairy Fay to identify her. Did the killer take not only her earthly life but her eternal life too, by destroying her name? Was JTR a PSK - a Posthumous Serial Killer?

Fairy Fay was merely a misunderstanding caused by the reporter's lack of familiarity with the speed with which Cockneys speak. Her real name was Effie, a quite popular name in Victorian times, and being fair of face, she was known as Fair Effie.

Now, since Mary Kelly was known as Fair Emma, this opens up a very interesting line of investigation indeed.

Fairs, being in those days closely associated with Gypsies - and the term 'Gypsy' being derived from Egyptian, and Egyptians being fond of removing vital organs through very small openings, then keeping them in jars, it seems to me that we are on to something big.

But where does Milne and his alter-ego of Pooh come in? Pooh certainly has no dealings with gypsies, but another bear most definitely does. Rupert not only encounters a number of gypsy bands during his adventures, but actually has a gypsy boy as a friend.

Could Rupert and Pooh be one and the same?

[Robert Linford]

Bill, there is definitely a Pooh/Rupert connection here.

"Hush, hush, whisper who dares
Christopher Robin is saying his prayers"

"You would say anything but your prayers"

Now consider the JTR letter which contained the phrase "That should tickle their ovaries." Not so far from "tinkle the ivories" - an obvious dig at Edward Trunk, who "knew too much" and ended up as a piano.

If we add in Rupert's disorganized behaviour - he wears a scarf but no coat - we can see that there was something very dark and menacing stalking Nutwood.

[Bill]

Bill, there is definitely a Pooh/Rupert connection here.

"Hush, hush, whisper who dares
Christopher Robin is saying his prayers"

"You would say anything but your prayers"

Now consider the JTR letter which contained the phrase "That should tickle their ovaries." Not so far from "tinkle the ivories" - an obvious dig at Edward Trunk, who "knew too much" and ended up as a piano.

If we add in Rupert's disorganized behaviour - he wears a scarf but no coat - we can see that there was something very dark and menacing stalking Nutwood.

Damn me, but I knew the church would be involved somewhere. The prayer code certainly needs further unravelling, but it is the mention of Edward Trunk that has suddenly made things clearer than three pipes and a seven percent solution combined.

I now believe the solution to the whole affair lies in Milne's fiendishly clever idea of hiding the clues not just in the Hundred Acre Wood, but also in the parallel world of Nutwood - a system not unlike the dual key system used for firing nuclear missiles.

It is now quite clear to me that Edward Trunk, with his elephantine features, is a thinly-veiled disguise for William Gladstone, owner of a large hooter.

Why then would the former Prime Minister appear in Nutwood as a friend of Milne/Rupert, yet in an altogether different way in the Pooh stories?

The answer is as plain as the nose on his face: Nutwood represents the normal everyday world, where Milne, in his Rupert persona, mixes with Prime Ministers, and displays a loveable eccentricity by going about in a scarf yet no coat, and wearing the same clothes year in and year out.

The Hundred Acre Wood, on the other hand, represents the other, darker world that Milne also inhabits. In this world of the mentally insane (the depressive Eeyore and his 'gloomy place'; Owl, who claims to be scholarly, yet signs his name Wol, to name but a few) Gladstone, who represents law and order, becomes the fearful and shadowy 'Heffalump'.

[Robert Linford]

Bill, your identification of Edward Trunk with William Ewart Gladstone has the ring of truth, for it is a little known fact that Gladstone was stone deaf - which is just what you'd expect to find with someone whose earholes were covered by two huge flaps. "Ewart" was actually Gladstone's cosmetic rendition of his nickname : he was known as William "You what?" Gladstone.

Gladstone's deafness made him highly dependant upon lip reading. The Tories soon realised that the way to beat Gladstone was to put up a very hairy-faced, bearded and moustchioed man as his opposite number - hence Lord Salisbury.

[jmenges]

Here is a map Milne drew years later, from memory, of the Whitechapel/Spitalfields area.

http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/2751/E301_1_006i.jpg

JM

[Bill]

Here is a map Milne drew years later, from memory, of the Whitechapel/Spitalfields area.

http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/2751/E301_1_006i.jpg

JM

Thank you, jmenges. A discovery equal only to James Maybrick's watch - except that in this case it is genuine!

If we take the bees tree, indicated in the top part of the drawing, as being Bishopsgate Police Station where Kate Eddowes spent her last few hours, then it can be seen that she met her death in the place marked as Rabbit's House (and what a cunning name to give Mitre Square, with it's warren-like entrances and exits).

Annie Chapman was killed in the back yard of the place marked as Christopher Robin's house.

Polly Nichols met her end in Eeyore's Gloomy Place.

Berner St, where Liz Stride was killed is represented by 'Where the Woozle Wasn't' (surely a clear indication from Milne that he wasn't involved in that murder - and that Liz was not a Ripper victim).

And finally, Mary Kelly on the site marked as 'Rabbit's Friends and Family' obviously pointing to a close relationship between Eddowes and Kelly.

To my mind there is now no possible doubt that Milne was the Ripper. Case closed?

[Robert Linford]

JM, I cannot access your map. Instead I am asked to log in.

[Mike Covell]

JM, I cannot access your map. Instead I am asked to log in.

Me too, it takes me to some sort of Open University Login page!

[jmenges]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-3/1159990/E301_1_006i.jpg

The Murder District.

JM

[Robert Linford]

Thanks JM. Is Sandy Pit near Gravel Lane?