Ada Wilson

[How Brown]

Attacked in Mile End on March 27th-28th of 1888,one month after Ms. Millwood....Ada Wilson survived her attack. Ms. Wilson was a machinist and not a prostitute.

Those machinists were and are a tough lot..;)

[SirRobertAnderson]

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Attacked in Mile End on March 27th-28th of 1888,one month after Ms. Millwood....Ada Wilson survived her attack. Ms. Wilson was a machinist and not a prostitute.

Those machinists were and are a tough lot..;)

Her assailant sported the sun burned face and thin mustache styling so popular amongst Ripper suspects.

I know A.P. thinks this might have been Cutbush, with the sunburned face a symptom of his meds.

Pilgrim's post on Sutcliffe's early "work" got me thinking about ol' Ada. She certainly fits nicely into a progression, starting earlier with one of the various news reports of someone breaking into a dwelling and staring at a woman, to trying to "rob" Ada and more importantly, stabbing her in the throat, then a frenzy attack on Martha, leading up to his "masterpiece" in Miller Place.

Disagreements ? Wut say you ?

[Nemo]

It does seem coincidental with the description of the face

I've always considered the attack on Ada to be a possible Ripper attack - if Blotchy is involved that is...

It is interesting if this attack points that way as it makes Blotchy the murderer and greatly affects Hutchinson's story

It also implies to me that this would not be the man's first attack either, so he could well have a known criminal history of violence and/or robbery

It was a bit vicious to stab her when he could just as well have ran away

To me he seemed intent on using violence in the attack

[SirRobertAnderson]

It is interesting if this attack points that way as it makes Blotchy the murderer and greatly affects Hutchinson's story

Nice point, Nemo.

It also implies to me that this would not be the man's first attack either, so he could well have a known criminal history of violence and/or robbery

It was a bit vicious to stab her when he could just as well have ran away

To me he seemed intent on using violence in the attack

I don't think that this was about robbery.....and I agree that it probably wasn't Jack's first attack.

It certainly makes a logical progression, no ?

???>Wilson>Tabram>Nichols>Chapman>Stride>Eddowes>Kelly>???

[Nemo]

Agreed...

[Nemo]

I do see a many references to the methods of street robbery in the LVP which have more than one perpetrator

I think the Ripper may well have been involved in such attacks and had experience of how to get a victim to the ground silently - ie a hand over the mouth of the victim and dragging the victim backwards and down

The Ripper may have progressed to attacking victims on his own, or retained a friend for back-up or even had a like-minded friend who would involve himself directly in the attacks

If Blotchy is the suspect, could BS and Pipeman = Blotchy and Hutchinson?

As a motive, I would say a possible motive would be anti-semitism and loathing for prostitutes who had Jewish or otherwise foreign clients - as well as the robbery of course

This motive ties in with the street attack on Liz Stride (IMO)

[Nemo]

Do you see any possible connection between Blotchy and "John Cleary"

Cleary was a false name given by a man who contacted press-men and said a horrible murder had been committed - another Jack the Ripper murder - in Backchurch Lane

No body was found

Two days later the Pinchin St torso turned up at that location

The foillowing is a report from the London edition of the New York Herald

""Cleary's" description, however, had been carefully taken. He was a young man, apparently between twenty-five and twenty-eight years of age. He was short, his height being about 5ft 4in. He was of medium build, and weighed about 140lb. He was light-complexioned, had a small fair moustache and blue eyes. On his left cheek was an inflamed spot, which looked like a boil had lately been there and was healing."

A John Arnold confessed to being the man referred to in the press as John Cleary, though to me, Arnold is a false confessor (possibly at the behest of the police) who gave a description of a soldier that is so vague it defies belief. I can find nothing to show that Arnold fitted the above description.

Cleary is described as possibly a Whitechapel shoe-black by his attire, and indeed, an inquest witness was also a shoe-black. Connected?

"Blotchy" to me is patches of red (probably) interspersed with normal skin. boils and spots would create this effect.

What condition (besides grime) produces persistent facial boils/spots? Acne I suppose, but there maybe other diseases that produce same. Pox?

Remember this is a year after the WM so the Blotchy man must have had an long term ongoing skin condition if they are connected in any way.

[Ultra Violet]

What conditions (besides grime) produces persistent facial boils/spots? Acne I suppose, but there maybe other diseses that produce the same. Pox?

Off the top of my head - other conditions than the above causing "blotchy" skin:

hypopigmentation
hyperpigmentation
rosacea
psoriasis
mycosis
hpv infection
various forms of dermatitis
port-wine stains
birthmarks
lupus erythematosus
accidents (burn scars, chemical burns etc.)

[Mags]

I've always thought Mrs. Wilson to be a likely early victim.

Surely the throat slitting disembowler didn't spring up out of thin air fully formed.

[Debra Arif]

In the criminal registers, on the same page as Christian Nelson ( Le Grand), there was also an Ada Wilson convicted the same day.

I checked for other mention of her and there were three altogether, from the nature of the crimes it looks like the same woman in all three cases.
I have no idea if this is the same Ada Wilson, attacked in '88 as no details of age or address etc. are given (even though it wouldn't matter as I don't think Ada has ever been definitely identified in the records yet has she? )
Anyway, I was just thinking that if it was the same woman, she would have mixed with some wrong 'uns and that could have been a possible motive for her attack? Just a thought anyway.
Here are the entries:

Quarter Sessions, Westminster, 1877
Ada wilson, Larceny from person & receiving after previous conviction.
9 months imprisonment, 4 years police supervision

Adjourned General Sessions, Clerkenwell, 22nd October 1888
Ada Wilson, Larceny receiving after previous conviction.
9 months imprisonment

Adjourned General Sessions, Clerkenwell, 19th May 1890
Ada Wilson, Larceny and receiving, acquitted.

Debs

[Sam Flynn]

Off the top of my head - other conditions than the above causing "blotchy" skin...
Don't forget one of the more obvious causes of blotchy complexions, given the area we're talking about - alcoholism. Not only can excessive alcohol consumption give rise to chronic dilation of the blood-vessels under the skin, leading to a blotchy, flushed complexion, but - more seriously - one of the symptoms of cirrhosis are multiple "spider angiomas" on the skin. Oddly enough, in the context of the John Cleary story, these might under some conditions resemble a healing boil.

[Stephen Leece]

They do resemble boils- the local drunk when I was an undergraduate had a face covered in them.

[Sam Flynn]

They do resemble boils- the local drunk when I was an undergraduate had a face covered in them.... but you're over it now, I hope, Stephen :)

[Stephen Leece]

Oh very original- my sides have just split. Help!

[George Lorton]

In the criminal registers, on the same page as Christian Nelson ( Le Grand), there was also an Ada Wilson convicted the same day.

I checked for other mention of her and there were three altogether, from the nature of the crimes it looks like the same woman in all three cases.
I have no idea if this is the same Ada Wilson, attacked in '88 as no details of age or address etc. are given (even though it wouldn't matter as I don't think Ada has ever been definitely identified in the records yet has she? )
Anyway, I was just thinking that if it was the same woman, she would have mixed with some wrong 'uns and that could have been a possible motive for her attack? Just a thought anyway.
Here are the entries:

Quarter Sessions, Westminster, 1877
Ada wilson, Larceny from person & receiving after previous conviction.
9 months imprisonment, 4 years police supervision

Adjourned General Sessions, Clerkenwell, 22nd October 1888
Ada Wilson, Larceny receiving after previous conviction.
9 months imprisonment

Adjourned General Sessions, Clerkenwell, 19th May 1890
Ada Wilson, Larceny and receiving, acquitted.

Debs

Oh she was a naughty one, if it was her and it looks to be Ms. Wilson, I agree Deb. I wonder why she got acquitted for that last job?

[Wicker Man]

The thing about Ada Wilson is, according to her neighbour, Ada lied about the attack.
Her neighbour, Rose Bierman saw the events unfold differently..

"...Well, I don't know who the young man was, but about midnight I heard the most terrible screams one can imagine. Running downstairs I saw Mrs. Wilson, partially dressed, wringing her hands and crying, 'Stop that man for cutting my throat! He has stabbed me!' She then fell fainting in the passage. I saw all that as I was coming downstairs, but as soon as I commenced to descend I noticed a young fair man rush to the front door and let himself out. "
The Eastern Post & City Chronicle, 31 March 1888.

Regards, Jon S.

[George Lorton]

Hi Wicker man,

True, I listened to the pod cast on Casebook. I believe Rose Bierman's account. I think Ada was out trying to supplement her income.