Met Search area

[Monty]

Yep, I know, dragged from another, not to be named site.

But Monty got no where with this question over there. Though you lot would be able to offer something.

Why was the Met search site (oct 88) limited to the area it was limited to?

I can understand the boundary with the City police (Middlesex st) but the bloody search area misses out 3 murder sites?

Why?

Answer me...answer me now !!

[yuppy]

mr monty,
not to be rude sir, but if you think that everyone has the books by his side every time a question is asked....
i for one have to go from one internet cafe to another to go online and certainly i don't bring my books with me.
then i must say that many of them i sold because they did not bring anywhere.
all this to say that i would like to answer you if i could but i just can't because i don't remember the details of what you are asking for.
maybe asking you could be a bit more precise (saying which are the three murders you are referring to for example).
don't take it as a reproach, just to tell you sometimes the technical difficulties in answering.

as far as i can remember they missed the nichols' site neighbourhood, and the berner street one, (that makes two sites so certainly i am missing something).
if my memory is correct the nichols site neighbourhood was searched to such an extent the first days of september that any other inquiry would have been useless (don't forget that those inquiries would absorb a large quantity of resources and were so expensive to carry out).
for the berner street one same thing after the double event.
i think you may have evidence of those extensive searches through the scant remaining police reports in the ultimate sourcebook for the nichols case and in the newspapers for the berner street site.

once again, all that from memory and i could be totally out but i have right now some time to kill so....

yuppy

[WTM]

Hello, Monty:

Well, this is a good question, and as yuppy intimates, it will take some research to answer properly.

I had thought there were several searches, and I will have to investigate the one you mention specifically. If it was as you describe, then there must have been SOME reason for it; the police weren't fools.

So easy on there lad, and give us time to find an answer for you. I never saw this asked on the other site, but I don't get there much anymore and don't read everything there is to see. Try to be patient in the meantime. ;)

[Monty]

Yuppy,

Chill dude. I wasnt serious. You take you're time. Im at a cybercafe also but its just one of my favourite problems. Thats why I remember it so easily. Let me know what you think.

PS Dont call me Sir son, Im not your teacher nor am I a Police Officer.

Im sorry, I wasnt clear enough. In Mid October the Met started a handout/search within a certain boundary (like yuppy, I have no books on me now and therefore cannot remember the whole site) as stated in a report on the 19th of that month...I think.

The site excluded Nichols, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes murder sites. Eddowes is understandably missed because it comes under City police duristriction but the other three comes under the Met.

OK, different divisions (J & H) but surely the Met would have pulled rank and organised a joint search of the sites mentioned.

I find it disturbing this wasnt done. The only reason I can fathom is that they were working on specific information, the question is what?

Now it could be something that we have come across yet but I feel that Leather Apron still rest heavily in the police thinking. I know Pizer was cleared by then but there still was a discrepency over old Aprons ID.

Thats my view anyhoo......I want to know yours.

[Monty]

The Met search area did include Chapman. Sorry folks.

[Howard Brown]

Ivor....Thats correct about separate police departments within the same city not working in unison. A good example are the two entities working in New York City in the mid-19th Century. Not only not working in unison, but at times doing battle in the streets !

[Birgitte]

I think the whole graffiti business illustrates how well the two police districts worked together. This defenitely didn't help the case at all and might even be one of the reasons why this case remains unsolved.

At the Casebook site (my only source up to now) I can't find anything about the search in October 1888 (could be I've been looking in the wrong places though) and in the first book on the case that arrived yesterday (When London Walked In Terror, probably not the best one to look this info up in) I haven't read about the happenings in October 1888 yet.

I'll keep an eye out on this matter. It has aroused my interest as well.

Birgitte

[Monty]

When you find out let me know !!