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Nina Brown
01-02-2007, 05:31 PM
Wheeling Sunday Register (Wheeling, West Virginia)
December 16, 1888
Volume 26 / Issue 154



JACK THE RIPPER IS HE THE SAME AS TUMBLETY’S SHADOW!

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A Man Suspected of the Whitechapel Crimes and His Curious History in Pittsburg
A Cincinnati Detective’s Story.

_____________


CINCINNATI, December 15. - It has been known for some days past that detectives have been quietly tracing the career in this city of Dr. Francis Tumblety, one of the suspects under surveillance by the English authorities, and who was recently followed across the ocean by Scotland Yard men.

From information which leaked out yesterday around Police Headquarters, the inquiries presented here are not so much in reference to Tumblety himself as to a companion, who attracted almost as much attention as the doctor, both on account of oddity of character and the shadow-like persistence with which he followed his employer.

The investigation in this city is understood to be under the direction of English officials now in New York, and based upon certain information they have forwarded by mail.

One of the officers whom current report connects with this local investigation is James Jackson, the well known private detective. When seen last evening at his home, on John street, Mr. Jackson was not-disposed to talk about the matter, but after some urging consented to tell his personal

EXPERIENCE WITH THE DOCTOR.

“It was back in spring of 1870,” he said, “when I first met Tumblety in Pittsburg. He was a tall, handsome man, excessively dignified and polite, with a military bearing. We met on the street, and after a few words he invited me to have a cigar. It was a cold, snowy evening, and, smoking our cigars, we walked down to his office. In the meantime he had introduced himself by showing a heavy gold medal which purported to have been presented to him by the citizens of Salt Lake, Utah, for some service. The doctor carried a gold-headed cane, so heavy that it would tire your hand. Arrived at the office, he insisted on examining my physical condition. And freely gave his advice as to a line of habits which would in a few years make me a perfect specimen of manhood. I frequently called on the doctor, and we became great friends. He always had on tap at his office a barrel of ale, and we used to sit and drink until both of us were feeling somewhat jolly.”

“Did he at that time have a companion called Jack?”

“What’s that?” said the detective.

The question was repeated.

“Well, yes,” replied the detective in a hesitating, suspicious tone, “I believe he did. But why do you ask? On being frankly told by the reporter of the rumors in circulation respecting the inquiries of English officials. Detective Jackson responded that it might be so, but, with a smile, added, that he could not say.

“To tell you the truth,” the detective continued, “he did have such a companion, or, rather, body-guard. The shadow was with him wherever he went, and was known only by the name of Jack. His last name I never heard spoken. This jack was a tall, giant-like fellow, whose head somewhat bent over. His face was as

WHITE AS A GHOST’S,

And his keen blue eye had a snaky appearance. Jack wore long hair and a very small mustache. I understand he had come from Texas, where he was a cowboy, or something of the kind. He rarely spoke, and hardly made any noise when he walked. In fact, he had a sneaking movement about him that I did not like. Usually he wore a velvet suit, and was a man who, from dress and general appearance , would attract attention anywhere. There were reports in Pittsburg which went to explain the colorless appearance of the shadow’s features, but of their truth I cannot say. Anyhow, the doctor was not thought very highly of. Jack looked like a man that was insane and desperate - a man who would do anything. In 1875 I was at Aurora, Ind., and, boarding a train, found the doctor and Jack occupying seats. Both recognized me at once, and I had a long talk with Tumblety. I understand that Jack accompanied the doctor when he went abroad.”

“Is there any possibility that Tumblety’s Jack and Jack the Ripper might be some way connected in the recent mysterious murders of London?”

“Well, I have heard suspicions that they might be one and the same,” remarked the detective guardedly, “but I don’t care to talk about it for certain reasons. I may say, however, that the suspicion is very strong in my mind, and if the inquiries were rightly pushed, they might lead to startling developments. I can’t say any more to you at present.”

The officials at Police Headquarters declined to talk about the matter or to answer any questions bearing on this supposed discovery of “Jack the Ripper’s” identity.

Chris G.
01-02-2007, 05:34 PM
Hi Nina

Great find! Very interesting article!

Chris

Joe Chetcuti
01-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Congratulations Nina,

That wasn't an easy article to find. It takes patience to look through the newspapers of smaller towns, but I bet you felt it was all worthwhile when you discovered that gem.

Wheeling, West Virginia is near the Pennsylvania border, and it's not too far from Pittsburgh. Tumblety was in San Francisco from February 24 - September 7, 1870 so that Cincinnati Detective could not have met him in Pittsburg during the spring of 1870 as he indicated. Their first meeting probably would have occurred in late March 1867. Tumblety was in Pittsburgh throughout 1867, and since it was a snowy evening in spring when they first met, you have to figure it was in late March.

Robert Linford
01-02-2007, 06:56 PM
Wasn't there one bizarre report that Tumblety had actually died several years before the murders, and that somebody was masquerading as him?

Robert

Joe Chetcuti
01-02-2007, 08:07 PM
The Dec 8, 1890 Oakland Daily Evening Tribune came out with that goofy article. It concerned a man named Dobson who was said to have been Tumblety's servant.

Dustin Gould
01-17-2007, 07:00 PM
What a find, indeed.

Based on Tumblety's history of "questionable" behaviour (lewd sexual conduct, snakeoil sales, pornography peddling) it wouldn't shock me in the least, to find him in constant companionship out of safety concerns. His dealings most certainly would have mandated, he venture out into the seedy underbelly of metropolitian cities, in order to procure himself clients. Someone of that sizeable proportions would clearly have come in handy, and made even the most reckless ruffian think twice, about engaging him in a donnybrook.

Joe Chetcuti
01-23-2007, 02:35 PM
Missouri's Provost Marshal General once sent a report to the Assistant War Secretary in Washington DC claiming that Tumblety has been compelled to leave several towns and cities in Canada for his rascality and trickery, and is being continually importuned and threatened by those he has deluded and swindled. So you can't argue with Dustin's point about how Tumblety sure could put a personal body guard to good use for himself.

A detective named James Pryor was associated with New York's 5th Avenue Hotel, and he remembered Tumblety. Pryor said the doctor was followed by a thick-set young man, who kept twenty paces behind him. They never spoke to each other, and when the 'doctor' would come into the hotel his shadow would lounge in after him. So Tumblety's employment of a body guard, like the Texan spoken of in the West Virginia article, seems logical enough.

As for one of Tumblety's men having been the Whitechapel killer, I really don't buy into that. But to be fair, I will say this has been suggested before. An attorney named William P. Burr once made a public statement to this effect in 1888.

And of course there were more 1888 news reports about Tumblety having been "connected in some way with the Whitechapel murders" than there were which spoke of him as having been the actual killer. So I can't deny there were some signs of support for this theory presented in the West Virginia newspaper. This angle can be pursued, but eventually I think we'd realize that we are barking up the wrong tree.

Chris G.
01-23-2007, 02:51 PM
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Chris G., Dan Norder, Donald Souden, Joseph Chetcuti, Robert Linford

An interesting array of suspects if I may say so. . . . :clap:

A.P. Wolf
04-20-2007, 05:50 PM
As I've said before, I'm a Tumblety novice, but just who the hell is this Isaac Golliday?

Joe Chetcuti
04-20-2007, 06:39 PM
http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/evening_star/881121.html

Just click and scroll down a bit.

A.P. Wolf
04-22-2007, 04:22 PM
Thanks Joe, that's where I originally found the report, and was hoping there was more information out there, but despite my very best efforts I have so far found absolutely nothing.
The guy must have been Jewish?
Isaac Golliday?
Was he Tumblety's gorilla, or Godzilla?

Joe Chetcuti
04-22-2007, 05:09 PM
Tim Riordan once looked into the passenger lists of the ships which Tumblety sailed on during his Atlantic Ocean voyages. I asked Tim to see if Isaac Golliday's name was listed. Tim told me it wasn't. So far I haven't detected anything that would suggest that Golliday was in England with Tumblety.

A.P. Wolf
04-22-2007, 06:02 PM
Hey Joe
am I not right in thinking that Isaac Golliday was one of Bob Marley's 'Buffalo Soldiers' fighting for the Virginians in the Civil War?
And that he was in fact a black man, from a very specialised family who named themselves after the tribes of Israel?

Joe Chetcuti
04-22-2007, 07:29 PM
A.P.

The Isaac Golliday who was with Tumblety had been the nephew of two 19th century Congressmen from Kentucky. I'll pay out 50-1 odds if this family was black. I'm not being sarcastic, but I'd be very surprised if this were the case.

jmenges
04-22-2007, 09:42 PM
Check the spelling. It's Golladay, as in Jacob Golladay, the Congressman from Kentucky.

MidAtlantic Rootsweb (http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/database/d0016/g0000066.htm) (scroll about 7 people down) has Isaac Golladay (death AFT 1870), son of David Golladay, whose brother was Jacob. From VA, not Tenn. so maybe not the right one, but right spelling none the less.

They were from French extraction, and any black Golladays (or Gollidays) were most likely slaves owned by this family.

JM

A.P. Wolf
04-23-2007, 02:35 AM
Thanks Joe & JM
yes, a black congressman from 19th C. Kentucky is even pushing my luck a bit far!
I'll try the Golladay spelling.

Nina Brown
04-23-2007, 08:18 AM
I located Isaac in the following census: 1860 Tennessee with his parents and brother Benjamin, 1870 Kentucky with his father and his uncle Jacob, possible listing in 1900 California where he is listed alone but married, and 1930 Tennessee where he is listed as a widower and as having married at age 21.

Cedar Grove Cemetery, Wilson county, Tennessee
Golladay, Isaac Edwin 23 Aug 1859-7 Sep 1934
Fredrick William 22 Aug 1822-3 May 1900
Eugenia Stratton, w/o F.W., 20 Mar 1832-16 Nov 1863
Edward, Ida & Jacob; Children of F.W. & E.
Isaac 10 Apr 1781-6 Oct 1848
Elizabeth 18 Jul 1786-8 Sep 1849
Edd I. (Confederate Soldier)
Carolina M. (on Cemetery record)

The following gives some information on the family.
http://golladay.home.mindspring.com/beginnings.htm

Nina

jmenges
04-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Thanks for the above, Nina.

You may have seen this, but for the sake of other readers...

If you follow along from the link you provided to the Golladay's in the Civil War homepage, and then trace Frederick from Tennesssee, there is a link to Isaac with the text of the Evening Star report of his association with Tumblety. So the family speculates as well that this Isaac (d. 1934) may be the same who went missing.

http://golladay.home.mindspring.com/Other%20Golladay%20members/IsaacGolladay.htm

JM

A.P. Wolf
04-23-2007, 01:32 PM
Thanks for that, Nina & JM.
Intriguing stuff.
Anyone know roughly what year young Isaac went West?
It would narrow the search down a bit.

Nina Brown
04-23-2007, 04:19 PM
JM,

I seemed to have missed that section of the link. It could have saved me some time. :frusty:

AP,

Sorry to tell you this ... sometime between 1870 - 1900. I believe it was mentioned somewhere that he went missing in 1879 but I can't be sure.

Nina :happy:

A.P. Wolf
04-23-2007, 04:45 PM
Thanks Nina, I'll try '79.
The story is very similar to that of Henry Carr, who went off with Tumblety in 1873 in England; father protested, faintly accusing the doctor of sexual misconduct, and produced evidence in court etc. Golliday disappeared with a gold watch and Carr resurfaced with a gold bracelet.

A.P. Wolf
04-24-2007, 02:11 PM
Just been reading Billy Pinkerton's thoughts on Tumblety again, in regard to the Henry Carr case, and he claims that Carr did not only steal a chain:
'A very large, flashy gold watch, and the chain was a very heavy neck chain, going twice around his neck.'
This very large, flashy gold watch was left with the London Police when Tumblety went West.
One wonders if this wasn't the very same watch that Golliday was wearing when he went West?

SirRobertAnderson
08-23-2007, 11:47 AM
:bump:

Wheeling Sunday Register (Wheeling, West Virginia)
December 16, 1888
Volume 26 / Issue 154



JACK THE RIPPER IS HE THE SAME AS TUMBLETY’S SHADOW!

_____________

A Man Suspected of the Whitechapel Crimes and His Curious History in Pittsburg
A Cincinnati Detective’s Story.

_____________


CINCINNATI, December 15. - It has been known for some days past that detectives have been quietly tracing the career in this city of Dr. Francis Tumblety, one of the suspects under surveillance by the English authorities, and who was recently followed across the ocean by Scotland Yard men.

From information which leaked out yesterday around Police Headquarters, the inquiries presented here are not so much in reference to Tumblety himself as to a companion, who attracted almost as much attention as the doctor, both on account of oddity of character and the shadow-like persistence with which he followed his employer.

The investigation in this city is understood to be under the direction of English officials now in New York, and based upon certain information they have forwarded by mail.

One of the officers whom current report connects with this local investigation is James Jackson, the well known private detective. When seen last evening at his home, on John street, Mr. Jackson was not-disposed to talk about the matter, but after some urging consented to tell his personal

EXPERIENCE WITH THE DOCTOR.

“It was back in spring of 1870,” he said, “when I first met Tumblety in Pittsburg. He was a tall, handsome man, excessively dignified and polite, with a military bearing. We met on the street, and after a few words he invited me to have a cigar. It was a cold, snowy evening, and, smoking our cigars, we walked down to his office. In the meantime he had introduced himself by showing a heavy gold medal which purported to have been presented to him by the citizens of Salt Lake, Utah, for some service. The doctor carried a gold-headed cane, so heavy that it would tire your hand. Arrived at the office, he insisted on examining my physical condition. And freely gave his advice as to a line of habits which would in a few years make me a perfect specimen of manhood. I frequently called on the doctor, and we became great friends. He always had on tap at his office a barrel of ale, and we used to sit and drink until both of us were feeling somewhat jolly.”

“Did he at that time have a companion called Jack?”

“What’s that?” said the detective.

The question was repeated.

“Well, yes,” replied the detective in a hesitating, suspicious tone, “I believe he did. But why do you ask? On being frankly told by the reporter of the rumors in circulation respecting the inquiries of English officials. Detective Jackson responded that it might be so, but, with a smile, added, that he could not say.

“To tell you the truth,” the detective continued, “he did have such a companion, or, rather, body-guard. The shadow was with him wherever he went, and was known only by the name of Jack. His last name I never heard spoken. This jack was a tall, giant-like fellow, whose head somewhat bent over. His face was as

WHITE AS A GHOST’S,

And his keen blue eye had a snaky appearance. Jack wore long hair and a very small mustache. I understand he had come from Texas, where he was a cowboy, or something of the kind. He rarely spoke, and hardly made any noise when he walked. In fact, he had a sneaking movement about him that I did not like. Usually he wore a velvet suit, and was a man who, from dress and general appearance , would attract attention anywhere. There were reports in Pittsburg which went to explain the colorless appearance of the shadow’s features, but of their truth I cannot say. Anyhow, the doctor was not thought very highly of. Jack looked like a man that was insane and desperate - a man who would do anything. In 1875 I was at Aurora, Ind., and, boarding a train, found the doctor and Jack occupying seats. Both recognized me at once, and I had a long talk with Tumblety. I understand that Jack accompanied the doctor when he went abroad.”

“Is there any possibility that Tumblety’s Jack and Jack the Ripper might be some way connected in the recent mysterious murders of London?”

“Well, I have heard suspicions that they might be one and the same,” remarked the detective guardedly, “but I don’t care to talk about it for certain reasons. I may say, however, that the suspicion is very strong in my mind, and if the inquiries were rightly pushed, they might lead to startling developments. I can’t say any more to you at present.”

The officials at Police Headquarters declined to talk about the matter or to answer any questions bearing on this supposed discovery of “Jack the Ripper’s” identity.

Joe Chetcuti
08-23-2007, 02:22 PM
The thing about this particular shadow story is that it took a pretty good ride across the country. Chris Scott found it in an Iowa paper, Nina found it in a West Virginia one, and A.P. saw it in a New Orleans paper.