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A.P. Wolf
06-02-2007, 05:15 PM
Featured in the Pall Mall Gazette, 17th October 1888, the contents and signature of this letter gave me the idea that Tumblety may have read it whilst in London.
Or more.

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CORRESPONDENCE "CAN ANYTHING GOOD COME OUT OF WHITECHAPEL?"
To the Editor of the Pall Mall gazette


Sir,
At the present moment, when the heart of London is thrilled with the realization of the ghastly truth that there are large districts in our midst where violence and outrage are so common that murder itself stalk unnoticed and unpunished, it is well to gather a little consolation and hope from the knowledge that in the very streets whose names now make us shudder there are peaceful homes where a dignified old age commands the respect of the roughest, and where virtue, cleanliness, and thrift shed their light around. If your readers doubt that any good thing can come out of Whitechapel, let them accompany a "lady almoner" to No.__ Buck's row, and call upon Mrs. P. They will find a little room, the picture of neatness and cleanliness, inhabited by an old woman of about seventy, in very feeble health, deaf, and almost blind, but always gentle and cheerful. She lives alone, having been a widow many years; her married son and daughter do for her what little they can. Until her sight failed she kept herself by brush work, having worked twenty five years for one employer. Her humble content and patient waiting for death teach the lessons that old age should. In a little court close by lives Mrs. M'C., a perfect picture of a beautiful old woman. She has occupied the same room for fifty two years, and it is a pattern of neatness. Some years a long lost son returned and promised his mother 5s a week. She at once voluntarily gave up the charitable help she had been receiving, and only her son's death and her own increasing infirmities have induced her to apply for it again. Such rare independence deserves to be recorded. In Hanbury street and Berner street similar bright spots may be found. In Fashion street, which has the reputation of being one of the three worst streets in London, two old sisters have lived for forty three years. They tell how "it used to be very respectable," and cannot bear to leave it even in its fall. Their landlady is kind to them, their neighbours respect if they do not imitate their thrift and cleanliness. It is in the belief that such homes are a strong influence for good among the East London poor, and that the old people who have made and love them, poor as they are, deserve a better fate than the workhouse, that the Tower Hamlets Pension Committee undertakes to help all thoroughly deserving cases brought to their notice in those districts (Whitechapel, Stepney, and St. George's in the East) where outdoor parish relief has been abolished. The pensions are raised by voluntary contributions, the whole of which go to the relief of the aged poor, the committee defraying its own expenses of management. The Hon. Treasurer is Mr. A.G. Crowder, 65 Portland place, W.
I am, Sir, yours faithfully,
P.D. Townsend.
28 Commercial street, E. October 15. '

Chris G.
06-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Hello AP

Since "Frank Townsend" was Tumblety's pseudonym I doubt if he would have used the name "P. D. Townsend." Also, 28 Commercial Street was the address of Toynbee Hall, established in 1884, so I would doubt that Dr. T would have used that address from which to write.

Chris

Joe Chetcuti
06-08-2007, 03:25 AM
"Oh, Doctor," said he, "I'll tell you all in good time. You see, I heard of your arrest in St. Louis, and how you were whisked off to Washington, that celebrated

'______ bourne
From whence no traveller returns.'

Taken from Dr. Tumblety's 1866 and 1872 autobiographies.


The Duchess of ______, one of the most beautiful and accomplished women of "Merrie England,"...

Taken from Dr. Tumblety's 1889 autobiography.


If your readers doubt that any good thing can come out of Whitechapel, let them accompany a "lady almoner" to no. ______ Buck's row, and call upon Mrs. P.

This was printed in the PMG on Wednesday Oct 17, 1888. It was part of a letter which had been sent from Mr. Townsend to Mr. Stead a few days earlier.


OK. I give up. What the heck is this "______" stuff all about? Was this a common way for people in the 19th century to write whenever they didn't want to disclose a particular piece of information? Was this really a widespread practice amongst 19th century writers or was this just a strange literary technique employed by a man who went by the name of Tumblety...or Townsend?

Chris G.
06-08-2007, 06:16 AM
"Oh, Doctor," said he, "I'll tell you all in good time. You see, I heard of your arrest in St. Louis, and how you were whisked off to Washington, that celebrated

'______ bourne
From whence no traveller returns.'

Taken from Dr. Tumblety's 1866 and 1872 autobiographies.


The Duchess of ______, one of the most beautiful and accomplished women of "Merrie England,"...

Taken from Dr. Tumblety's 1889 autobiography.


If your readers doubt that any good thing can come out of Whitechapel, let them accompany a "lady almoner" to no. ______ Buck's row, and call upon Mrs. P.

This was printed in the PMG on Wednesday Oct 17, 1888. It was part of a letter which had been sent from Mr. Townsend to Mr. Stead a few days earlier.


OK. I give up. What the heck is this "______" stuff all about? Was this a common way for people in the 19th century to write whenever they didn't want to disclose a particular piece of information? Was this really a widespread practice amongst 19th century writers or was this just a strange literary technique employed by a man who went by the name of Tumblety...or Townsend? . . .

Hi Joe

The use of "______" to designate names was a common practice in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in published accounts concerning people. They also did the same thing with swear words. . . Well I'll be "______" !

All my best

Chris

Robert Linford
06-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Joe, Times Oct 24 1894.

From census info I suspect her middle name was Douglas.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/TOWN20OCT20242094.jpg

Chris G.
06-08-2007, 01:46 PM
Joe, Times Oct 24 1894.

From census info I suspect her middle name was Douglas.

Hi Robert

Robert, most excellent work to narrow down the probable correspondent from 28 Commercial Street (Toynbee Hall) in the 17th October 1888, Pall Mall Gazette letter to the editor, as Pauline Douglas (?) Townsend. :thumbsupbud:

Chris

Robert Linford
06-08-2007, 01:51 PM
Thanks Chris. She doesn't seem very well known, but I dare say she's mentioned somewhere in the Toynbee Hall archives.

Robert

Joe Chetcuti
06-08-2007, 02:31 PM
Robert, that was good work. I wondered if there really was a P.D. Townsend associated with Toynbee Hall, and you came through very fast for all of us. Thank you.

Chris G.
06-08-2007, 05:08 PM
Hi Joe and Robert

It looks like the same meeting that included Miss Pauline Townsend reported in The Times of 24 October 1894 is referenced in a PDF file for The Nursing Record & Hospital World, 3 November 1894 (http://rcnarchive.rcn.org.uk/data/VOLUME013-1894/page299-volume013-3rdnovember-1894.pdf).

Chris

Robert Linford
06-08-2007, 05:17 PM
Thanks for posting that, Chris. Incidentally Pauline Townsend was born Birkenhead, which more or less makes her a Liverpool lass.

Robert

Chris G.
06-08-2007, 05:19 PM
Thanks for posting that, Chris. Incidentally Pauline Townsend was born Birkenhead, which more or less makes her a Liverpool lass.

Robert

Thanks for that nugget of information, Robert.

Aye her and Frederick Deeming and Steve Park, the alleged originator of the Maybrick Diary if we are to believe Steve Powell over at Casebook!

Chris

A.P. Wolf
06-08-2007, 06:37 PM
Thanks Robert, that's how history should be dealt with, a friendly dialogue between folks with a cup of tea.
I was merely fascinated by the concept that Tumblety might have read this letter and chosen the name for his gentle voyage on the Bretagne; along with the entire 'Special Irish Branch' of Scotland Yard, so rumour has it.