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06-17-2007, 02:07 PM
Warren's whereabouts at critical times is often discussed so I thought this report from the 'Milwaukee Sentinel' of November 11th 1888 was relevant.
The idea that the East Enders were immune to death and slaughter by the time of Mary Kelly's murder is also provoking.
06-17-2007, 06:22 PM
A.P. ( and all )
Isn't it somewhat true that the Kelly murder didn't create as much clamor and concern as say,the Chapman murder and/or the Double Event...in general?
Again...a nice find A.P.:hug:
06-18-2007, 10:25 AM
This is the first I've heard of Warren being away and out of touch at the time of the Kelly murder. Of course, his resignation had been tendered by then.
06-18-2007, 01:31 PM
it does say in the report that Warren's 'absence had not been made public'; and one often finds reports in the American press of the LVP that have somehow side stepped the British press.
The 'Dear Boss' letter from 1889 I found recently being a classic example.
06-18-2007, 02:17 PM
I believe he had just tendered his resignation and it was accepted but it was not yet made public at the time of murder. That would imply that Warren was in London at least shortly before the last murder. Actually, Warren was telegraphed to with a request to send the bloodhounds on the morning of the murder. He must have been In London at the time.
The Michael Cane film showed Warren in London and preparing to take part in the Lord Mayor's Day Parade when he received word of the Kelly murder. That may just be Hollywood.
06-18-2007, 02:32 PM
Warren was clearly in London on November 15. It seems doubtful he had been away. I think the Milwaukee paper confused Warren with Anderson, who was away from the early murders.
From the Times November 16, 1888:
06-18-2007, 04:14 PM
Andy, thanks for the report.
The report I posted was from November 10th 1888, and mentioned telegraphic attempts to contact Warren in St Petersburg.
I'm quite sure Warren could have returned from Russia before November 15th 1888 in response to the telegraphic messages.
You also mention telegraphic messages.
Why the telegraph if Warren was in London at the time of Mary Kelly's murder?
Warren's office had telephone at that time.
06-18-2007, 04:46 PM
Well, A.P., I don't know. It just seems very unlikely to me that he was away any great distance. The use of intracity telegraph was common in the period. One sees reports all the time of various officials in London being telegraphed to as opposed to being rung up on the telephone. Presumably, telephones were not yet reliable enough to be relied upon.
If he were en route to Moscow on the 10th, he probably wouldn't have received the communication until at 11th at earliest. Then to get from Moscow to London in four days is, I think, cutting it pretty close. Besides, what's he doing in St. Petersburg in November?
No, I think the Milwaukee paper is in error.
06-19-2007, 07:18 AM
I don't know either, Andy, however my understanding is that in 1888 one could take the Moscow - Cologne express train, a journey of two nights, and then the day journey to Calais and over the channel.
So, if he was in Moscow, yes he could have got back to London in the time period we have in these reports.
06-20-2007, 11:02 AM
It was just pointed out to me that there is a memo sent form London by Warren dated Nov. 9, 1888 appearing in the Ultimate Sourcebook/Companion. Looks like that settles the matter.:sad:
06-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Quite right, Andy
a memo, a report and a telephone call all on Lord Mayor's Day 1888.
I blame the Fenians and Special Branch for the whole fiasco.
Well done, sir.
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