News Report on Tumblety?

[Mike Covell]

I found this during a search of the Hull Newspapers of old and though I would share it.
Its taken from the Eastern Morning News, January 2nd 1889, and may well refer to Tumblety.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/Photo%20Thanksgiving/paper1_1.jpg

[Joe Chetcuti]

The supposed inaction of the Whitechapel murderer for a considerable period, and the fact that a man suspected of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes left England for this side of the Atlantic three weeks ago, has produced the impression that "Jack the Ripper" is in America.

I have never seen the December 31, 1888 Pall Mall Gazette, but I was once informed that the news bite I posted above appeared in Stead's paper on that day. And thanks to Mike, we see that the Eastern Morning News also printed that same news bite a few days later on January 2, 1889.

If anybody has the December 31, 1888 Pall Mall Gazette, can you please check to see if Stead also ended the article with the sentence, "Irish Nationalists pretend that (Inspector Andrews) is hunting up certain evidence (in North America) to be given before the Parnell Commission."

[Robert Linford]

This the one, Joe?

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/Photo%20Thanksgiving/PALL20MALL.jpg

[Joe Chetcuti]

Robert's response time...check the stop watch...54 minutes. Not bad, not bad. But I remember the good old days when a younger Robert Linford would have it posted up within 30 minutes. :)

Thank you, sir. That was nice of you to share that with us. Unlike the Eastern Morning News, Stead didn't end the column by saying that the Irish Nationalists were putting on an act. I would have been really surprised if Stead ended the article in that manner.

[Tim Riordan]

Hi all,

Both articles are copies of a New York World Cable Service dispatch which was sent out on December 21st by their Montreal reporter. Although that article states that Andrews was leaving Montreal for New York, in fact he was on his way to Halifax where on the 24th he sailed for Liverpool on the SS Peruvian.

There has been considerable confusion about what Andrews said or did not say. The New York World story said that the Montreal police reported Andrews was looking into the Whitechapel case, but he never said that. What he specifically said was that while in Toronto, he collected important evidence concerning the Parnell case, which was probably why he went to Canada in the first place.

Best,

Tim

[Joe Chetcuti]

Howard mentioned that some threads will get deleted on the Jtrforums in the upcoming weeks, but I hope the thread below survives the cut. Posts 6 and 9 on that thread should be preserved.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=2897 (http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=2897)

[How Brown]

Joe:

No threads will be deleted buddy....we are still waiting to construct a disc with all the present content and gradually thin some of the non-Ripper related threads or I'll find some place to archive them. Don't worry...no threads which deal with Ripperology will be deleted,period.

[Joe Chetcuti]

That is good to hear, Howard. Thanks for telling me.

And a big thank you goes to Tim Riordan for pinpointing the exact date when The New York World Cable Service sent out the news bite that we mentioned earlier.

We got some smart cookies in this field.

[How Brown]

Funny you mention that,Joltin' Joe...because I think Tumbelty's "treatment" in the field is 5 star by those who ( SPE,Tim,R.J.you.,Wolf V of course...) do more than just say he's a pretty unlikely suspect( like me,for instance, who consider him a valuable character in the whole of the Case,but not our man...and who gives a fiddler's about one thinks anyway,right?:) ) and do actual work on researching the man.

[Joe Chetcuti]

In the words of Michael Corleone, "Never hate your enemies. It clouds your judgment."

Don't worry, Howard. I shall never hate you. :) I'll assess the worth of your opinion about Tumblety "not being our man." And I'll proudly make my assessment while using an unclouded judgment.

Yes, Valentine's Day must be approaching. You can tell that love is in the air. :rolleyes:

[Robert Linford]

Valentine's Day? Is that thing with us again?

[Joe Chetcuti]

Yes Robert, February 14th is the big day. I heard that Cupid is taking aim at you right now. He will let his arrow fly on Saturday. It's about time you got married. You can't go on enjoying life forever, you know.

[Joe Chetcuti]

A key question that I ask myself is, "While in Toronto, was Andrews trying to recruit Irishmen to testify against Tumblety in regards to Irish political crimes?" Crimes of such a nature that could have resulted in Tumblety's extradition.

I'm not taking a stab in the dark here. On Nov 19th, Scotland Yard contacted the Home Office and made their offer to have an Inspector go to Canada. Some Englishmen in the U.S. probably knew that plans were in the works for Andrews to come over. Then on Nov 22nd in Kansas City, Scotland Yard Detective H. L. Reeves gave this remarkable answer when asked about the Whitechapel murderer:


"...it has been the boast of England that when she wanted an Irish crime or political offender punished she would always do it by having an Irishman become an informer."

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

There's more to Tumblety movements in late 1888 than meets the eye. I'm working up a piece on him and will post it as soon as it's finished.

In the meantime, following on from your last post, here's an extract from an 1889 book about the murder of Doctor Cronin—

"Most of the English detective work in America is done through the Pinkertons; but there are always three or four Scotland Yard men in the country watching the "dynamite" societies, so called, and looking after their Irish friends in different parts of the country. These men are chosen with great care, and have privileges and pay beyond their fellows. One of them who was stationed in New York last year is said to have been paid $5,000 a year and expenses. How thoroughly the preventive work in America has been done is proven by the fact that not one dynamite outrage was planned or executed without information more or less full being cabled beforehand to Scotland Yard. In some cases shadows have accompanied the dynamitards from the quay in New York to the jail door in England, as was the case with Dr. Gallagher. Through the same agency explosives and infernal machines have been found in spite of the most ingenious concealment; and, indeed, so nearly omniscient has Scotland Yard been that many Irishmen believe that the detectives themselves have provided their own work and furnished their own dynamite."

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

Hello Simon,

Thank you very much for sharing that passage from the 1889 book written by John T. McEnnis. I also appreciate the fact that you recently posted another excerpt from that book. The passage spoke of Scotland Yard, and it went as follows:

About twenty (Scotland Yard) men are employed on political matters solely, and of these, ten have made a specialty of Irish Affairs both in Ireland and America. (These) political detectives have the best of it. They are intrusted with the spending of the secret service moneys...

I'm seriously looking at Scotland Yard Detective H. L. Reeves as having been a political detective.

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/atlanta_constitution/881123.html

I have privately suspected in the past that H. L. Reeves worked for the Special Branch. The additional information coming from you and Wolf Vanderlinden now enhances that suspicion.

Wolf remarked that the "secret service" money mentioned in the McEnnis book was in reference to funds coming from Special Section D, which was part of the Special Branch.

That is very interesting because Colonel Hughes-Hallett once stated that he had to pay a certain amount of "secret service" money when he was elected into Parliament. To confirm this, an attorney announced in an English court:

"(Colonel Hughes-Hallett) debauched the constituency of Rochester by spending 1,100 pounds in secret service (money)...then to pay the money he sold 2,000 pounds worth of property."

There is reason to believe that both Reeves and Hughes-Hallett were quite familiar with the Special Branch. And when both of these men spoke of the Ripper killings, their statements ended up on the lap of John Paul Bocock at the Atlanta Constitution.

I would listen very carefully when the head of the Special Branch, Reeves, and Hughes-Hallett speak of the Whitechapel murderer. I think all three men were on the same wave-length.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

This is the first press cutting I have managed to find which mentions Tumblety and Irish politics in the same paragraph.

It's from a piece about the death of Doctor Gloucester, Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 27th April 1890—

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/BDE20TUMBLETY202720APR201890.jpg

Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

They do say that in any mystery you should follow the money.

Home Secretary Henry Matthews, House of Commons, 12th November 1888—

With regard to the Parnell Commission "No sum had been expended from the secret service vote to secure evidence."

A possible missing word here is "yet". "No sum had yet been expended . . ."

Who else was expected to pay the forthcoming expenses for—

1. Inspector Fred Jarvis's almost four months in the United States—November 1888 to April 1889–ostensibly to extradite Thomas Barton on charges of fraud?

2. Inspector Walter Andrews' three weeks spent in Canada after handing over Roland Gideon Israel Barnett to the authorities—11th December 1888 to 4th January 1889?

3. Chief Superintendent John Shore's trip to Niagara in December 1888.

I think we may discover that H.L. Reeves was a pseudonym used by J.T. Kerby [said to be a "Scotland Yard detective" but actually from Montreal] or Frank McCoy [who may or may not have been J.T. Kerby in yet another guise]. I don't think it was Fred Jarvis [who sued MP Henry Labouchere for libel for suggesting he had been in Kansas City and Colorado in November/December 1888 whipping up evidence on behalf of The Times for the Parnell Commission], as the opinion offered about Scotland Yard detectives doesn't sound like someone talking about their own.

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

Hi Simon,

About 4 years ago, Norma went looking for H. L. Reeves at Kew on my behalf. She ended up finding a few "Reeves" in the record books, but none of them were our man. Keith once told me that he was kept an eye out for Reeves as well. I'm hoping that we are not dealing with a pseudonym here, but as you have just pointed out, that may very well be the case.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

How do I contact you?

Please send me a PM.

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

It's very easy to contact me in California. My jail cell is right next to Charles Manson here in the San Quentin State Prison.

Actually Simon, the best way to contact me is by getting my e-mail address from Howard. He will even provide you with my blood type, social security number, thumb print, Kindergarten diploma...you name it!

If you have a further interest in John Paul Bocock, Colonel Hughes-Hallett, and Detective H. L. Reeves, just mail a few quid to Adrian. He could send you the April 2008 issue of the Journal of the Whitechapel Society. There was an article in there entitled Three Compatible Men. The article looked more deeply into the professional relationship of that trio.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

I have emailed Howard.

I will write to you shortly about the jaw-dropping bombshell in your Rip 87 article "Knocking on Pall Mall's Door".

Regards,

Simon