The Paintings

[Melissa McMahan]

I have a butch computer image copies of Sickerts paintings. However I will only post one at a time so not to anger anyone by posting all at once. :) Anyway here is the first one below. This one is of the woman reading the news paper. Cornwell made a big deal out of this one if you recall. So any remarks you have on the image, please feel free to state them. Thanks, M.Mc.

[WTM]

Hello, Melissa:

Don't worry; post your li'l heart out. Let 'em complain to me.

Well, IMHO, Sickert was either a lousy artist (and he really is not to be confused with one of the Old Masters) OR the woman was reading the paper and has fallen asleep; at least her eyes seem to be closed. I look exactly like that at least once a week myself, as I often recline to read a paper or magazine and doze off. It looks to me like the woman is lying on a couch, which would support my hypothesis all the more, as I fall asleep reading 100% of the time that way.

So far as the necklace is concerned, well; she is a woman, and women tend to wear such things - just watch old Leave It To Beaver reruns and look at his mom, June. At least, women that are not bull daggers do; maybe this is what has confused our esteemed author here.

Sleeping subjects, or those in bed or at rest appear in an awful lot of Sickert's work. All I can say is that Cornwell must also be a Catholic; they too tend to see enemies everywhere.

[How Brown]

Thanks a lot for this photo, Melissa ! To me, it looks like Stephen Tyler of Aerosmith,with a set o' faux pearls,reading Variety.....no,wait, it looks like ......

Cornwell is a joke. How can she interpet anything from this garish crap? Please,by all means,Melissa,keep 'em coming. This is the sort of stuff that all of us need to know about this Cornwell.......

I was not aware of her "cloud-reading" skills.

Thanks for posting it.Melissa ! In all seriousness,its a definite need for us all to see more !!!

[Melissa McMahan]

Okay here is the next one called "Summer night" which I think looks the most ripperish of the owns I have. Not that that means much... I doubt Sicket was the Ripper myself. Anyway I do find it's title intersting being that JTR first victim, if you go by the main five that is, was killed in later summer. However to me this bed looks a lot like the last victims. Marky Kelly's bed. Perhaps Sickert's odd since of humor at work?

[WTM]

Yeah, but look at how similar this is to The Camden Town Murder - an apparently naked woman lying in bed, with a fully dressed man sitting or standing beside her.

I think old Walter was a bit of a cockhound and what was seemingly always on his mind made it into a lot of his work. This conflicts dreadfully with Patsy's pablum. No wonder he was in France so often - taking in the Moulin Rouge, the whorehouses, and the primitive black-and-white pornography.

In the Camden Town Murder, the woman seems obviously alive but disaffected and disdainful, and the man seems sorrowful and depressed. No kidding, but I distinctly remember one of the ads for 'men's virility cures' a few years ago that was very much the same - a woman obviously naked under the covers and ready for action, but also obviously quite miffed, and a man, obviously embarrassed, sitting on the edge of the bed in full clothing. The ad, of course, implies rather strongly that the man is 'incapable' and the woman blames him or has taunted him - for it. Few things strike more terror in a typical Joe's heart than insinuation or accusation of impotence, and maybe that was what Walter Sickert was hinting at too, for possibly personal reasons. Hey, even Hefner takes Viagra now.

[How Brown]

Vunderbar ! I haff zeen ze pikture und it has all der earmarks uff a man vit der zimptoms of der limpenweinerschnitzel !

Yep,Tim...the folded arms tell it all. As a virile male,lemme tell ya, I wouldn't know of such situations....why is my nose starting to grow? Damn ! It just went through the wall !!!!

Yeah,Cornwell is an expert in projecting her interpretations,it seems !!!

[Melissa McMahan]

Jack Ashore by Sickert, this is another of Cornwell's pointed out works that look Ripperish. Though I doubt he was the Ripper I believe much of his work refects the JTR crimes. Better susects are about the suspect list in my book.

[How Brown]

Melissa......Thanks for posting this picture.

All the hoopla over this guy's talent has me puzzled. I don't "get" it. I still feel that Sickert was a "hobbyist" regarding his level of interest in the Ripper murders.

Looks like Cornwell may have done little wrong in ripping up the guys etchings.....I am still waiting for the Haute Cotoure From Le Idle Of Wight to rip up his Velvet Jesus and Velvet Truman Capote paintings to see if there's anything there of value.

Keep 'em coming,Melissa !

[Melissa McMahan]

This on is another of the "Camden Town Murder" paintings. I have 3 or four of these. All in changed poses for the man and woman in the paintings.

[How Brown]

Melissa........Could you fill me in on what the picture depicts ? I'm being serious, as I can't tell whats going on there...It sorta looks like a big blood pudding or something. I dunno.....Thanks for posting it !!! Howard The Blind

[Melissa McMahan]

This painting is a bit muddy as much of Sickert's work was. I've seen this larger before in an art book of muti-artist. This "Camden Town Murder" painting is of the same man and woman in the more common one seen by most people. The man is now standing to the left of the bed with his arms crossed. The woman is naked and viewed from the legs up, if that helps. Anyway, she is moved towards the right side of the bed as if the man has scared her in some way. The wall paper behind her head is green and yellow crossed slabs. This makes the copied image of the paniting more muddy.

[How Brown]

Wow ! Thanks Melissa !! I didn't even notice the man standing there....Thanks a lot.... Fistula Van Gogh

[Melissa McMahan]

I have to agree with you after reading Cornwell's JTR case closed book. I did find out from some PBS show that she was a rape victim at some time. Perhaps that explains her lack of focus and fair play. There is not enough true facts to point the finger of guilt to Sickert. She fell upon assumed problems that Sickert had that was at best 2nd hand information. That would not hold up in a court of law. About the only thing she may have proven is that Sickert painted some Ripperish paintings and may have written a few of the HOAX Ripper letters. That and Texas cow patties smell the same. PW ! Below is yet another "Camden Town Murder" painting. Enjoy...

[How Brown]

Now that I understand !! Thats my kind of art !!! Erase that schnook sitting there like the loser that he is and I'll buy that one for sure !!!

[Melissa McMahan]

You are welcome. :) I have a few more to post up but this is the last one today...

[How Brown]

All jokes aside....The guy seems to like portraying men as dejected, beaten, or maybe impotent,huh ?

[Melissa McMahan]

I do not know the name of this work by Sickert but the woman seems to have either mud or blood on her face. She also looks freaked out to me but she is alive.

To answer some questions below. I think Sickert had some sort of dark side about himself that came out in his some of his paintings. He does have some cherry ones like people at a beach, however I'm only posting the ones that seem Ripperish in nature or the ones Cornwell talked about. Not that I believe Sickert was the Ripper but just because I'm an artist/writer too. Plus I find it rather funny that at work could ever be thought of as a clue to any killing. I find it just as stupid as the idea Lewis Carroll was the Ripper.

[Melissa McMahan]

Yet another nude on a bed but no man in this one. However you might want to look at her foot, it looks broken. (???) Also there seems to be a void of any type of face on her. I find this work by Sickert interesting but not a clue to him being a killer.

[Melissa McMahan]

I cannot tell what's in her hand either. (???) Sickert was a strange dude! Below is another odd painting by him. This nude woman in the kitchen looks as if she has blood on her. Also her body is not normal looking in my book.

[Melissa McMahan]

I figured I'd also add this one before anymore notices the others below... :) This is the painting of "Jack Ashore" which is hard to find. I'm good at digging out this sort of stuff though.

[WTM]

I am beginning to agree with Patricia Cornwell in the respect that she is right that Sickert "doesn't deserve to have his art celebrated". This last post by Melissa is a real eye-opener in that regard. Old Walter looks like a hack artist to me, and I really cannot understand all the fuss about his being such a 'good' artist and one of the best of his period. His work appears to be the artistic equivalent of British cooking.

[Melissa McMahan]

I don't care for Sickert's art work myself. It's too muddy and is often looks like an out of focus photo. Not that I'm all that great an artist myself but the only place to see any my work so far is on my art web site. It is far for all my work but some is on there. :)

URL: http://melissamcmahan.tripod.com/

Anyway here is yet another Sickert art piece for you to ponder...

[How Brown]

On behalf of everyone else, I thank you,Melissa,for taking the time to post these pieces. Its interesting that,as Tim stated,that this guy was celebrated. Those with money are different than us. They can "make" people like Sickert seem talented.

[Melissa McMahan]

I beleive one of the best artist from that time was Renoir, where as Sickert was one of the worst. Anyone disagree with me? Here is one of the "Blackmail" paintings from Sickert. I wonder what this woman was blacking Sickert with? However as Cornwell points out there is a black line around her neck. (???) She was right about something... WOW! LOL! :)

[How Brown]

It sort of looks like the awful actress,Marsha Mason. I "visualize" her asking for cab fare from some guy,after he had his way with her. He refuses and tells her the 61 Bus is two blocks up...now beat it. She stands defiantly, "No,Monty....I wanna ride in style !"

[Melissa McMahan]

I never notice that before but I think you are right. She does look like the same woman. Thanks for telling me that or I'd never noticed it. :) I have only a couple more to share after this one. This is the same "blackmail" woman.

[How Brown]

People.....Take a look at the woman in the fur in the "artwork" below.....Tell me that it doesn't look like Pat Cornwell herself !!!!!! Now I know why she is entitled, "Blackmail" ! Monty was gonna spill the beans to Cornwell's gal-pals at The Daughters Of Sappho club !!! Good one Monty !!!

[Melissa McMahan]

What is the "Daughters Of Sappho club" I never heard of it. (???) Anyway I think Cornball... I mean Cornwell is too young to have been in Sickert's paintings. Anyway I add this one because Cornwell said in the diva painting behind the bored couple is a figure. There is indeed something but she claims it looks like Jack the Ripper coming up behind that woman. Perhaps in the real painting you can see it better but I see the moon myself. :)

[D1g1TaL Gh0sT]

Cornwell "claims" alot. But she backs up very little of it with actual fact, and fills in the rest with wild imagination.

[How Brown]

Melissa....F.Y.I. the Daughters of Sappho were a group of women that preferred female company in sexual matters.....Cornwell would qualify. Hopefully, Monty set her straight ( pun intended).

[Melissa McMahan]

Oh? (Shrugs) I didn't know that but then again I never ask people anything that personal. People around me know I'm straight but what they do in their bedroom is their own business. I really don't care to know if you want the whole truth. As long as they don't want to get me involed in it that is. If any unwanted sexual advance happens from either sex towards me, they will be getting a slap back. I'm rather picky about keeping my friends as just friends anyhow. Anyway I'll post another image later, I just wanted to clear this all up first. As far as Cornwell, I don't know what she likes and I really don't want to know. I just with she was not such a "my way or the highway" type person. Other than that she can do what she wants with her person bedroom matters. However I could see her as the type that likes whips... LOL! Um? Never mind forget I said that. :confused:

[Melissa McMahan]

Well anyway, this image by Sicket is one Cornball... I mean Cornwell pointed out. She read into it that Sickert was watching the people gathered around to see the Jack the Ripper crimes. (???) To me I just see people out in the rain. Perhaps Cornwell should come in out of the rain herself eh? LOL!

[Garry]

My word! It's made it all perfectly clear to me now...Cornwell is off with the faeries!!
There should be an APB put out "Do not approach her as she is a complete loon" :D

I did a few doodles earlier and from analysing them in the same way..... I clearly own Microsoft.

[How Brown]

Garry.......Melissa's efforts have proved that art ( which I hate) is a mechanism for propaganda,whether its the Commies,Nazi's,or Pat Cornwell. Its like "cloud-watching"....Garry sees the Sistine Chapel....Melissa sees the battlefield at Kursk....Ivor sees a cheesesteak with onions.....its all subjective.

Lemme put it this way: A homeless bum with two weeks of urine on his pants looks at Sickert's scribblings. He sees "something".
Because Cornwell,an established writer with no urine on her pants,sees "something" else, most neophytes will agree with her. Its sort of that simple.

[Melissa McMahan]

You hate art? Whoa! I never met anyone before that didn't like some art work. Not good for me since I am one. Oh well...

I dislike Sickert's art work but with good reason. Too much of his work is far too muddy and out of focus. Well I have one more copy image of Sickert's dark paintings. If I come across anymore I'll be sure to post them up but this is it for now. It's called, "Washing Hair" and is yet another nude. Sickert and nudes, he's seen a lot of bare flesh eh?

[Garry]

I like a lot of art, my cousin was a pretty good artist too.
The problem with people like Cornwell though is that she'll interpret them to fit in with her twisted ideas which isn't very healthy really.

Sickert wasn't very good really was he? I don't see what Cornwell does at all....maybe I need some crack cocaine before I do? :D


I'll pass ;)

[Melissa McMahan]

The thing about art is what "art" is has changed since the dawn of time. Cave men drew what they knew, mostly the hunt for food. Now on down to morden man the word can mean more than what you see with your eyes. Most music is an art form and so is most poetry. Now even old comic books are worth major money as forms of art.

There are some sour grapes if you will. Somethings are just old junk and will never be anything else. Sickert's art work will never be anything more than it was when he made it. Okay but not that great. Even art dealers have a bored sigh when taking about his work. Unlike better known artist like Renoir or Van Gogh from that era. Their art is so much better than Sickerts it's not even funny.

Sickert to me is the Warhol of his day. However, I'd buy a Warhol before a Sickert any day. Yes, even one of the darn Campbell Soup cans... UGH! Too many artist beat them both in my book.

[How Brown]

Melissa.....The " I hate art " comment only meant about 99 % of it.

I appreciate some art. Michaelangelo,M.C. Escher,and of course,R.Crumb

Anything that the average uncouth schnook ( me ) has to be told as to what he is seeing( critic interpretation ) as opposed to what he thinks he sees,can get a little testy. Call me Testy. As far as female artists......well....I actually ran into a artistic girl who lived near you and Tim, in Anahuac. I was able to con, I mean,convince her,to leave Anahuac for the narrow streets of Philly. She moved up here with Joe Culture for a couple of months. She's been gone from here for a while,but she was an interesting girl. Of course, I like artistic girls !!

Art is essential to expanding people's minds. No argument.
I seldom argue and never win when I do,with ladies.

[D1g1TaL Gh0sT]

My opinion? Cornwell's a complete flakejob. 100% no additives or preservatives. How anyone could put any creedance into anything she says, is beyond my comprehension. The women never goes anywhere without a harem of bodyguards by her side. This despite that fact, that she is pretty much an unrecognizable "celebrity" (i.e. she's no Nicole Kidman or Sandra Bullock). She admittedly has a house filled with guns, and based on her own actions, seems to suffer some serious paranoid tendencies. Not to mention, she's so brazenly arrogant, that she makes brash claims of "fact", that she can't even back up with concrete evidence. Based on how she's went out of her way to ruin the reputation of the dead with what doesn't even qualify as circumstantial evidence, it makes me wonder not only if she herself has a pathological hatred for men, but how she can look herself in the mirror.

[Melissa McMahan]

LOL! I like this group, it's interesting to hear other points of view. That is besides the up tight, snooty types who think they know what true art is. Art is a personal thing, no two people are going to have the same feelings about any of it. It's sort of like people and their faith... Oh there is a can of worms I don't want to open. Anyway I like some artist and dislike others, some I just yawn at. Sickert as Jack the Ripper is a great pun no doubt.

By the way, M.C. Escher is in a class all his own. I have to respect the fact he could draw all the angles he did without going nuts. Now that's talent! I most enjoy his work but don't look at it if you feel dizzy. Trust me on that. :)

[Melissa McMahan]

Now! Now! No back bites on this thread please. Everyone take a deep breath and think of the calm blue ocean. (Pauses) There now, isn't that better?

I like Dali's work but this guy must have been smoking something harsh to come up with his art. :)

May I ask what Cornwell was doing at the BBC if you know? I find this amusing that this woman has body gaurds who are like pit bull dogs. WOW! What is she so scared of?

I mean hello? I'm a stalking victim but I can protect myself. Not that I want to hurt anyone but I do know enough hand to hand combat. Plus a mixture of Oriental fighting styles to get away from anyone who wishes to harm me.

[Melissa McMahan]

I like to think of myself as the type to make something good out of anything bad. I sometimes get into trouble for that too. :eek:

I mean no harm, I'm only trying to spread kindness. Don't flog me for that. Okay? (Wah-ch!) Ouch! LOL!

Cornwell I believe is a tad bit loony. What do you think?

[How Brown]

Just in case these portraits haven't been seen....here is an old thread from the um..old days.

[Jack London]

Cornwell I believe is a tad bit loony. What do you think?
She's a rape victim....
The culprit might as well have been a Graboid going into Michael Gross' rec room!....

[Peter Birchwood]

She was there to push her book on a BBC4 book programme. Maria and I were there and I told her on air that she was risking action against her by Sickert relatives. She seemed somewhat shocked.
I did get her book free complete with signature so that must be worth something.