Kelly and Mrs Carthy

[cris2507]

It is is well known that Kelly allegedly stayed at one time with a Mrs. Carthy of Breezer's Hill. Recently, as well as the UK and other press articles that I have transcribed, I have visited the local library here to see what the provincial press here had to say about the murders. I found a long article about the Kelly murder in the 17 November 1888 edition of the then local paper, The Thanet Advertiser. Thanet, I should explain, is an area in the extreme east of Kent, near Canterbury.
One passage in this account struck me as I don;t remember seeing it reported before. Mrs Carthy, Kelly's ex-landlady, is quoted as saying that shortly before she was murdered, Kelly turned up on Mrs Carthy's doorstep at 2 a.m. with an unknown man and asked to stay the night there.
The passage reads:
"Mrs. Carthy states that the deceased when she left her place went to live with a man in the building trade, and who she (Mrs. Carthy) believed would have married her. She, however, was awakened by Kelly some short time ago at two o'clock in the morning, when she was with a strange man, and asked for a bed for the night. On that occasion Mrs. Carthy asked the deceased if she was not living with the man who took her from the neighbourhood. She replied in the negative, and explained her position. From this time she was never seen in the neighbourhood."

Of course, it would be intriguing to know how long before the murder this nocturnal visit occurred and, above all, who this unknown man was.

I'm attaching a copy of the section below.
All the best
Chris

[Debra Arif]

Ok, I need help, this may cross over with what Chris Scott has posted before, if so can someone point me to it because I think I have broken google!

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/The20Times20Saturday20May2010201890.jpg

Now, were all the people concerned in this, (note John n Mary of Breeze's(?) Hill concerned in selling alchohol via 13 Ship Alley, a public house, or are they seperate issues? ie they were selling from their own address.
And as an aside.. ..How many sailor sightings at the time of the murders in WC were undercover police?!
http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/The20Times20Saturday20May2010201-2.jpg

[A.P. Wolf]

Debs, I bunged that report up on Casebook some time ago, and I thought at the time that they were all distinct prosecutions from various different addresses, my feeling being that the licensing authorities gathered the offenders over a period of time and then prosecuted them all on the same day. But I could be wrong.
But reading through the report a second time, thanks to you, there is much of interest there which escaped me before.
The 'emigration office' for a start, and that to the connection I recently found with an illegal 'emigration office' in Batty Street.
Tying all this in with Chris' report of Kelly revisiting the 'Carthy's at Breezers Hill not long before her death in the company of a stranger, sort of gives me a sense of abiding confusion, and a real desire for more time on my hands as I think we scratch at the surface of something quite monumental here.

[Debra Arif]

Thanks AP, I knew I had seen it before somewhere. Ships Alley was part of Ratcliff Highway,in the dim and distant, maybe it was a total swoop on the Ratcliff Highway?
I was looking for the blasted Keavys of Church lane, who never existed don't you know apart from in the Sarah Schwartz report of 1885.'Illegal' emigration at Batty St? or just emigration?

[John Savage]

Hi Debs,

A very interetsing article and I agree with A.P. that you may be scratching at something of great importance.

It seems that the police charged 15 people with selling drinks without a licence, so I think it had to be from seperate addresses because if there were 15 people all selling in the same house the profit would have to be split between each. Why would anyone want to do that?

Rgds
John