Tumblety Genealogy

[Bill Amos]

I originally had high hopes that my great great grandmother Margaret Tumblety Conroy of Dublin, Ireland was Francis Tumbleiy's older sister. So I did a bunch of research on the Tumblety family. Long story short his older sister Margaret was Margaret Kelly -- not Margaret Conroy.


This family fascinates me. So even though I am not closely related to Francis a fine suspect to be Jack the Ripper or at the very least a lovable psychopath, I would like to share what I have found with you. What I have to offer is pure genealogy, I will leave the psycho analysis and the Ripperology up to you all I hope some of it is helpful and I look forward to your comments, critiques and additions.

[How Brown]

Dear Bill:

Don't feel bad,sir. You could have been related to Pearly Poll. Think positive !

One coincidence I can share ( There are others) with you about D'Onston and my Dad.

After Donston left the London Hospital in December of 1888...he immediately moved to St.Martin's Lane...in London.

My Dad was born on St.Martin's Lane in 1915 in Philadelphia...and was born in December.

[Bill Amos]

Francis was the youngest of 11 or 12 children (depending on if you believe he had a brother named Frank L.) We can document two older brothers, Lawrence the gardener who was ten years older and a confirmed bachelor and Patrick the gas works guy who was 7 years older. Then there was his father James and that's it for male role models. Then he had 8 older sisters and his mother Margaret. I fine this to be a very interesting family composition. He had two or three older brothers and 8 older sisters. Then I think of the damning descriptions of him as a teenager and I wonder how the family composition may have shaped him?

This is about as close as I will get to psycho analyzing the group. I'll do James the patriarch and Margaret the Matriarch in the next installment.

[Joe Chetcuti]

Thanks Bill. We'll look forward to reading more.

[Bill Amos]

I have only found a couple of records on James Tumblety. I have no idea how or when he got into this country. What I do know is in the 1848/49 Rochester City Directory:he is listed as James TUMILTY, last h. S.Sophia .This places him in what turns out to be the family neighborhod in later years The inscription on the family memorial in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery states:James TUMUELTY, 7 May 1851, 74 yrs This pinpoints his time of death and mades him born about 1777.


A quote from Captain Streeter in Dec 1888.(Tumblety's) father was an Irishman(who) lived on the common south of (Rochester) on what was then known as Sophia Street, but is now Plymouth Avenue. - Earlier Captain Streeter remembered James, as an Irishman who headed his family on Sophia Street. Martin McGarry would later say that James was a wealthy Irish gentleman who left his son Francis a big lot of money upon his death.


James died on May 7, 1851 and the Rochester City Directory of 1851/52 listed Margaret as a widow. It also listed Francis as a peddler.This brings two dynamics into play. First, where was James in the 1850 census? Maraget is there with Lawrence, Francis and Ann but no James. Second, it has been established that not only is Francis a good for nothing teenager but he was a peddler which is not the highest calling to have. If James did have money, why would he leave it to him? And also, where did the money come from?


In summary, it appears that James sired 11 or 12 children in Ireland. It appears that he came to this country prior to his wife and two youngest children. Many times Irish immigrants came to this country, worked and sent money back to bring their families over.While I do not now this for sure, it is a distinct possibility. There is a lot to be learned about James the Patriarch. Any information would be helpful.

[Bill Amos]

For the times there is good documentation on Margaret. She, Francis, his sister Ann and a James (not the father) arrived at the Port of New York on June 21, 1847 on the Ashburton from Great Britain. With the help of the Federal Census and Rochester city directories a decent profile emerges of her decliniing years. She was apparently dependant on her eldest son Lawrence and in her last 5 years her eldest daughter Alice Tumblety Fitzsimons.



Here is a profile of Margaret from the time she arrived in the United States until she died. Spelling and names are as they appearded in the documents.


!788 Born in Ireland



1847 21 Jun Margt Tumbleton Arrival Date: Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Age: 52 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Ashburton Search Ship Database: Search the Ashburton in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York, New York Line: 12 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_67 List Number: 411

1850 census Margaret Tumathy Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788 Birth Place: Ireland Gender: Female Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 8, Monroe, New York Household Members: Name Age Ann Tumathy 22 Francis Tumathy 19 Lawrence Tumathy 29 Margaret Tumathy 62


1851 Rochester City Directory (RCD) Tumilty, Margaret Mrs. Widow b. S. Sophia, n. Flint


1859 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret h. Plymouth Av.


!860 census Margarett Tumbite Age: 71; estimated birth year: abt 1789; birth place Ireland; home in 1860 Rochester Ward 8, Monroe, New York; gender female; Houshold Members: Lawrence Tumbite 40; Margarett Tumbite 71; Robert W. Wilkens 50; William Hayden 37; Mary Hayden 37; Bridget Hayden 17;


1861 (RCD) Tumblety,Margaret Mrs, h. Plymouth Av.


1864 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret widow James h. Plymouth


1866 (RCD) Tumelty, Margaret widow James h. Plymouth ave. cor. German
1867 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret widow James h. Plymouth



1868 (RCD) Tumbelty, Margaret wid James h.Plymouth ave.cor Magnolia
1869 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret Widow of James house Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia


1870 census Margaret Funiblety Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788 Age in 1870: 82 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1870: Rochester Ward 8, Monroe, New York Race: White Gender: Female Post Office: Rochester Household Members: Name Age Margaret Funiblety 82 Alice Fitzsimmons 61 Mary Fitzsimmons 30



!870 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret widow house Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia


1671 (RCD) Tumuelty, Margaret widow house Plymouth


1872 (RCD) Tumblety, Margaret widow boards Plymouth avenue corner Magnolia

1873 27 May Died; buried Holy Sepulcher Cemetary, Rochester, New York.

Margaret lived to be a ripe old age for the times. She bore 11 or 12 children (more on that later) and made the transition from Ireland to Rochester, New York. She was a very hearty woman.

[Bill Amos]

Lawrence Tumblety was the eldest brother of Francis. He never married, lived in the same Rochester neighborhood from 1844 to 1898 and was a gardener all of his life. His mother and two youngest siblings lived with him, in the late 1840’s, and early 1850’s . He was the first recorded Tumblety in the country. Also it appears that he changed his name from Tumblety to Tumuelty in 1875. That is the name on the family memorial in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Rochester. It is also the name in the 1844 city directory.
Francis and Lawrence appeared to have been direct opposites. Francis was a flamboyant world traveler who made his money by any means he saw fit. Lawrence was a stay at home kind of guy as previously noted who toiled in other people’s gardens
.However, they did have one thing in common. Lawrence was a confirmed bachelor and Francis might as well have been one also.

Lawrence was found regularly in the Rochester City Directories.. I could not find him in the 1870 or 1880 census using every search trick I knew.. Here is a profile of him. Please note; If a source is not identified. It is from the Rochester City Directories.




1820 born in Ireland

1844 Rochester City Directory (RCD) Lawrence TUMUELTY b.(board) cor S.Sophia and Clarissa

1848/49 Rochester City Directory: Lawrence TUMIALTY, gardener last h. S.Sophia

1850 Census Name: Lawrence Tumathy Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Birth Place: Ireland Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 8, Monroe, New York
Household Members: Ann Tumathy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7144203) age 22; Francis Tumathy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7144204) age 19; Lawrence Tumathy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7144202) age 29; Margaret Tumathy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7144201) age 62.

1851/52 Rochster City Directory: Lawrence TUMILTY, gardener, h. S.Sophia near Flint

1859
Tumblety, Lawrence
Speculator
h. Plymouth Av.


1860 Federal Census Name: Lawrence Trnblte Age in 1860: 40 Birth Year: abt 1820 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1860: Rochester Ward 8, Monroe, New York Gender: Male Post Office: Gates Value of real estate: Household Members: Lawrence Trnblte (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746593) age 40; Margarett Trnblte (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746594) age 71: Robert W Wilkins (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746595) age 50; William Hayden (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746596) 37; Mary Hayden (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746597) age 37; Bridget Hayden (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1860usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=46746598) age 17.

1861
Tumblety, Lawrence
Gardener
h. Plymouth Av.

1864
Tumblety, La wrence
Gardener
h. Plymouth ave. cor. German

1866
Tumelty, Lawrence
gardner
h Plymouth ave, cor. German

1867
Tumbelty. Lawrence
Gardener
h.Plymouth ave.cor German

1871
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Gardener
house 248 Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia

1872
Tumuelty, Lawrence
house Plymouth avenue

1873
Tumblety, Lawrence
house Plymouth avenue n. Magnolia

1874
Tumblety, Kawrence
nurse
h. 250 Plymouth av. N Magnolia

1875
Tumuelty, Lawrence
nurse
h.250 Plymouth avenue
1876
Tumuelty, Lawrence
nurse
h. 250 Plymouth av.

1877
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Nurseryman
house 250 Plymouth avenue

1878
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Nurseryman
house 250 Plymouth avenue

1879
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Nurseryman
house 250 Plymouth avenue


1880
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Nurseryman
house 254


1881
Tumeulty, Lawrence
Nurseryman
House 254


1889
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
h. 528 Plymouth avenue

1890
Tumuelty, Lawrence
Gardener
h. 528 Plymouth avenue

1891
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
h. 528 Plymouth avenue

1892
Tumuelty. Lawrence
gardener
house 528 Plymouth avenues

1893
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
house 528 Plymouth av.

1894
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
house 528 Plymouth av.

1895
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
hosue 528 Plymouth av.

1896
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
house 528 Plymouth av.

1897
Tumuelty, Lawrence
gardener
house 528 Plymouth av.

1898
Tumuelty, Lawrence
died


1898 The inscription on the family memorial in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery states:
Lawrence TUMUELTY, 14 February 1898, 79 yrs

[Joe Chetcuti]

This is all very much appreciated, Bill. You've done a fine job.

Edward Haywood knew Tumblety during the late 1840's. Haywood said, "(Francis Tumblety) lived with his brother, who was my uncle's gardener."

Francis may have had a good relationship with his older brother Lawrence.

[Bill Amos]

Patrick Tumblety was Francis’ other brother. While I am not sure when he entered this country, he was possibly the Jas. age 26 who entered with this mother in 1847. His son is James Patrick and his grandson is Patrick James and his father is James. So there is a possibility that he was James Patrick or Patrick James and to avoid confusion he was called Patrick. He married a woman named Mary they had only one son James P. who was born in 1851. Patrick died at a young age on Sep 20,1859 when he was hit by a falling chimney. Patrick had worked at the gas works as a fireman and a laborer.
Mary did not die until 1877. It appears that Mary and her son James moved in with Margaret and Lawrence on Plymouth ave. about 1861. His son James Patrick Tumblety (changes his name to Tumilty in 1875) appeared to be fairly prominent in Rochester. We never get a clear look at what he did for a living through the city directories but in the census he was a capitalist in 1900 and “own insurance” in 1910. Additionally, he was an assembly man in Rochester. He was married to Mary J. from England and they had 7 children. He died in 1911.
Patrick is found in the city directories and the 1850 census. His wife is found in the city directories until she died in 1877
1850 census Name: Pat Timothy Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Birth Place: Ireland Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 5, Monroe, New York Household Members:
Name
Age
Mary Timothy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7133070)
27
Pat Timothy (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1850usfedcenancestry&indiv=try&h=7133069)
27


1849
Tummialty, Patric
Fireman, Gas Works
b. Rapids
1851
Tumialty, Patrick
Fireman, Gas Works
h. 6 Andrews
1853
Tumilty, Patrick
Gas works, Mumford
h. Orange
1855
Tumelty, Patrick
Gas works,
h. Orange
1857
Tumilty, Patrick
Laborer Gas Works
h. Orange
1859
Tumblety, Patrick
Laborer, Gas Works
h. Sophia
1861
Tumblety, Mary Mrs.
h. Plymouth Av.
1863
Tumblety, Mary
widow Patrick
h. Plymouth Av. Cor. Gorman
1864
Tumblety. Mary
widow Patrick
h. Plymouth ave. cor. German
1866
Tumelty, Mary
wid. Patrick
h. Plymouth ave cor German
1867
Tumblelty. Mary
widow Patrick
h. Plymouth ave cor German
1868
Tumbelty, Mary
wid. Patrick
h. Plymouth
1869
Tumblety, Mary
Widow of Patrick
house Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia
1870
Tumblety, Mary
Widow
house Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia
1871
Tumblety, James P.
laborer, boards
Magnolia near Plymouth Avenue
Tumuelty, Mary
widow
house Plymouth avenue cor. Magnolia
1872
Tumblety, James P.
laborer
boards Magnolianear Plymouth avenue
Tumblety, Mary
widow
house Magnolia near Plymouth avenue
1873
Tumblety, James P.
laborer
boards Magnolia near Plymouth avenue
Tumblety, Mary P.
widow
house Magnolia
1874
Tumblety, JamesW.
actor
boards Magnolia near Plymouth avenue
Tumblety. Mary P.
widow
house Magnolia
1876
Tumilty, James
b. Plymouth av c. Magnolia
Tumilty, Mary
widow
house Plymouth av. Corner Magnolia
1877
Tumilty, James W.
bds. Plymouth avenue c. Magnolia
Tumilty, Mary
widow
house Plymouth av.
1878
Tumilty, James W.
boards Plymouth avenue corner Magnolia
Tumilty,Mary
deceased May 12, 1877

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

The 1871 Rochester Directory lists Francis Tumblety's mother, Margaret, and Patrick Tumblety's wife, Mary, living on Plymouth Avenue at the corner of Magnolia.

Margaret died in 1873. Mary died in 1877

But on an 1888 Rochester map both plots of land are marked "Mary Tumblety Est", which I am assuming means estate—

5668

Do we know who inherited the property?

Regards,

Simon

[How Brown]

Thank you Simon. I never saw that before.