Photo Trivia # 1

[Livia Trivia]

Alfred Hitchcock

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes Livia, :mod: it is he!

Roy

[How Brown]

Very well done Livia.

I could have provided the right answer...I know everything...but I, uh, wanted you to answer correctly because you're a lady.:tea: and around here, ladies go first.
Seriously, I didn't know the answer,Liv...I just like to make people think I'm as smart as I am decent to women. Sometimes it works.

Roy:

As per usual, an excellent trivia challenge.

[Roy Corduroy]

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1 Who are these two people?
2 What church were they married in?
3 How is that related to the Whitechapel murders? (Hint, this year is the 300th anniversary of something)

[Chris G.]

Pictured are poets Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath, who were married June 16, 1956 at St. George the Martyr Holborn in Camden, London. Can't think of a link of the church to the Whitechapel murders, though there may be some link to the Camden Town murder. It's the anniversary this year of the the Fifty New Churches Act of 1711, which might link St. George the Martyr to Christ Church, Spitalfields conceivably. Christ Church was built between 1714 and 1729 to a design by Nicholas Hawksmoor..... clutching at straws here.

Chris

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes, Chris you are correct. :mod:

St George the Martyr, Ormond Street was bought by the 1711 Act Commission and altered. Yes, Christ Church, Spitalfields was built by the commission, as was St George in the East. In the churchyard was the mortuary that held the body of victim Elizabeth Stride.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=38870

Roy

[Chris G.]

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1139/527622408_cb82217fde.jpg

Where is it? What was it? What's its connection to the case?

[Roy Corduroy]

Chris, it is Dale Street, Liverpool, UK. The building was (and I believe still is) the City Magistrates Court.

I don't know how it relates to the case.

Roy

[Roy Corduroy]

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What church designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor is this?

[Chris G.]

Chris, it is Dale Street, Liverpool, UK. The building was (and I believe still is) the City Magistrates Court.

I don't know how it relates to the case.

Roy

Correct it is now the City Magistrates Court but was the City Bridewell in 1889 and Mrs Maybrick is said to have been in there for a while.

Roy, the church you show is surely Christ Church Spitalfields designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor.

[Roy Corduroy]

Correct it is now the City Magistrates Court but was the City Bridewell in 1889 and Mrs Maybrick is said to have been in there for a while.

Thank you for that, Chris.

Roy, the church you show is surely Christ Church Spitalfields designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor.

And thank you for the reply. Yes, I see the resemblance, but no, it is St Anne's Limehouse. Note the distinctive pyramid in the churchyard.

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Another Hawksmoor church, who can identify it? (hint - sheep)

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[The Grave Maurice]

Roy,

Because of your hint, I'll guess St Mary Woolnoth in the City.

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes it is, Grave Maurice :mod: and welcome to JTR Forums

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Another Hawksmoor design, this church was rebuilt after World War II by constucting a modern chapel inside the bombed shell.
Can you name it?

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[Chris G.]

That's St. George's-in-the-East. The mortuary in the graveyard is visible in the trees at right center by the new building. I recognize the place from going there at the time of the 2009 convention. I notice you didn't include the distinct tower (http://www.stgite.org.uk/library/towerandflag.jpg) of the church. :)

[Monty]

There's also the Battle of Cable St mural on the far left, on the side of the Vestry Hall building where the Stride inquest was held.

Monty
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[The Grave Maurice]

I would have guessed St George's simply by its location in respect to Canary Wharf. BTW, should the church and parish properly be called St George's-in-the-East, or St George-in-the-East. I've seen both lately and am now unsure what to call it. Colin, where are you when I need you?

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes Chris :mod: and thank you for the picture, and your comment, Monty

...should the church and parish properly be called St George's-in-the-East, or St George-in-the-East. I've seen both ...

Grave, the name is without the 's in the church website (here) (http://www.stgite.org.uk/) which is very informative and had the above photo. By the way, that modern building to the right is St Georges Pools.

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[Chris G.]

Yes Chris :mod: and thank you for the picture, and your comment, Monty



Grave, the name is without the 's in the church website (here) (http://www.stgite.org.uk/) which is very informative and had the above photo. By the way, that modern building to the right is St Georges Pools.



I think this is all part of the modern trend to lose the apostrophe, and make it Millers Court instead of Miller's Court, and in an example here in Baltimore, render it Fells Point instead of Fell's Point, named for the Quaker Fell family from Lancaster who originally settled the old seaport section of Baltimore. As you note, Roy, in the case of the church, they have lost the "s" as well. :rolleyes:

Chris

[Roy Corduroy]

Name it please

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(hint - in spring, the roses are in _ _ _ _ _ )

Roy :spy:

[Chris G.]

Hi Roy

May need another clue. That's either the Post Office Tower or the Fire of London Monument in the background. I have a feeling this may not be a church but a masonic temple. Mmmmmm.

C

[Monty]

St Georges in Bloombury.

Monty
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[Chris G.]

St Georges in Bloombury.

Monty
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Bingo! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George's,_Bloomsbury) (click to view)

Well done, Monty!

Chris :car:

[Monty]

Hi Chris,

Its seen in an image I'm sure you, and many others here have seen.

Hogarths 'Gin Lane'.

Its in the background.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Monty :mod: you win a bottle of Tanqueray

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Moving right along, another church designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor. Can you name it please

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(hint - excuse me, do you have the time?)

[Monty]

Thanks Roy,

I know my Hawksmoor.

I'll let someone else have a crack at this one, as I know the answer. I will add another clue if I may.....what's it all about?

Monty
:)

[Chris G.]

St Alfege, Greenwich.

http://www.afewthoughts.co.uk/sketches/2011/0084-St-Alfege-Greenwich.html

[Roy Corduroy]

That's a winner :mod:

Name this church designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor please

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[George Lorton]

Saint Anne's Limehouse!!!

Consectrated in 1730. I reaad about it in Evelina or perhaps Vanity Fair, a Novel with out a hero.

[Monty]

I don't think you're right George....try a little closer to Jacks alledged home.

(Good to see you about by the way)

Nice photo Roy, can't recall seeing it. A private one?

Monty
:)

[Chris G.]

It's a no brainer, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Christ Church, Spitalfields

[Phillip Walton]

And about 30 years old.

[Roy Corduroy]

:mod: Yes Phillip it looks like the time of renovation in the photo (http://hercules.gcsu.edu/~rviau/ids/Artworks/hawksmoor.html).

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Two views of a church, now demolished, designed by Nicholas Hawksmoor and John James.
Name it please


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[George Lorton]

Awh shucks, I could sworn it was St Anne's Limehouse, but I've always had a different image of Christ Church in my head so it is good to see what it actually looks like.:brick:

[Monty]

Now its getting tougher.

St Johns Horsleydown, Bermondsey way.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Outstanding Monty :mod: Next, in center is another 1711 Act Commission church, designed by James Gibbs
Name it please

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[Chris G.]

St Clement Danes, Aldwych, London (http://www.shipoffools.com/mystery/specials/london_05/reports/1011.html) = Sir Christopher Wren not Gibbs?

[Stephen Thomas]

St Clement Danes, Aldwych, London (http://www.shipoffools.com/mystery/specials/london_05/reports/1011.html)

The Strand, Chris. This was Dr Johnson's local church in the 18th century.

[Monty]

That church appears in an old paystation game called 'The Getaway', about villians in Gangland London.

Monty
:)

[Chris G.]

St Clement Danes, Aldwych, London (http://www.shipoffools.com/mystery/specials/london_05/reports/1011.html)

The Strand, Chris. This was Dr Johnson's local church in the 18th century.

Yes but Aldwych is the designation of that part of the Strand.

[Roy Corduroy]

Chris it's not St Clement Danes. Please try again.

Roy

[Monty]

St Mary le Strand....of the Grand.

Monty
:)

[Chris G.]

St Mary le Strand....of the Grand.

Monty
:)

Yes okay. Thanks, Monty and Roy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary_le_Strand

[Roy Corduroy]

Hope you all had a nice Christmas ;)

Please name this 1711 Act Commission church, designed by Thomas Archer

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[Magpie]

That would be St Paul's, in Deptford.

Beautiful frontage.

[Roy Corduroy]

:mod: Yes it is, Magpie

Another Commission church by Thomas Archer
Name it please


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[Chris G.]

The Church of St. John the Evangelist, Smith Square, Westminster, London.

[Roy Corduroy]

:mod: Yes that's it Chris!

Two views of another Commission church, this one designed by John James and Nicholas Hawksmoor
Name it please

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[Chris G.]

Roy this one is St. Luke's, Old Street. Andrew Gough (http://andrewgough.co.uk/steeple.html) begs to differ with your claim that Hawksmoor designed the church:

"Hawksmoor did not design Saint Luke's. He merely added the obelisk, for towers were his specialty, . . ."

Wikipedia (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_obelisk_spire_of_St_Luke%27s_-_geograph.org.uk_-_777611.jpg) tells us, "The obelisk spire of St Luke's. . . by Hawksmoor was not originally intended to be fluted but it was altered at the last minute, necessitating the shaving away of a large quantity of stone. When the church was restored it was found that erosion rendered the remaining material dangerously thin. It is said that the dragon weather vane was thought to be a flea or louse so that the church was nicknamed 'lousy St Luke's' by the local population who may well have been familiar with such creatures."

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes that's the one, Chris :mod:

Our final church of the twelve built outright by the Commissioners of the 1711 Act, this one designed by John James
Two views Then & Now
Name it please

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[The Grave Maurice]

It looks like St George's Hanover Square.

[Chris G.]

It looks like St George's Hanover Square.


Ding! Ding! Ding! I would say you are correct. See here (http://www.stgeorgeshanoversquare.org/).

[The Grave Maurice]

Oh, good. I remember St George's because the sidewalk leads right across the church porch, which I always thought was an odd sort of arrangement.

[Roy Corduroy]

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These two London churches were built in the same era. One is in the East, the other in the West. Can you name them both please?

[Perfect Virgo]

I think they are Christ Church, Spitalfields and St Martin in the Fields, Trafalgar Square. Interesting to see them from a lofty perspective!

If I'm in London I try to make time for one of the free lunchtime concerts at St Martins. I even have a distant ancestor who was married there.

[Roy Corduroy]

Excellent, Virgo! :mod: :mod: Correct on both, thank you.
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East End church built in 1850 and still active today. Next door stood a pub. Can you name both please?

[Whitechurch]

Both are How's pub.

[Monty]

Hey Roy,

The Ship Inn and St Marys in Cable street.

The Ship is where Mosley had a base during the Battle of Cable Street.

Heres my photo taken during the 2010 London Job

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes Monty :mod: It's hard to stump the London Jobbers. Good photo you made there.
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Okay here's another church in the East End. Can you name it please?

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[Monty]

Aarrrrrgghh, I've seen it but can't recall where.

One of the City PCs/DCs lived near there I reckon.

Let me think.

Monty
:)

[Monty]

Its just hit me and its not what I thought it was.

St Dunstan's, Stepney.

Attached is the one I got it confused with.

What is the name of this East end church, who is it connected to (someone connected to the murders - Ive given a clue in my previous post) and why?

Monty
:)

[Monty]

Hi Roy,

Correct church however I wasn't aware Cox lived nearby.

The City PC I'm referring to actually lived across the road from the Church in his younger days, prior to joining the force.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes you got St Dunstans correct, Monty :mod:

Correct church however I wasn't aware Cox lived nearby.


Your photo, St John of Jerusalem. Oops sorry, I took down my post to correct the map slightly. Back then the numbering was different and the Henry Cox residence was just inside the parish. Got the 1891 address of 65 Frampton Park Road from his Casebook Wiki entry.

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The City PC I'm referring to actually lived across the road from the Church in his younger days, prior to joining the force.


Now I'm stumped. :cry: But shant give up. :israel: Was only up to the letter "C" when I guessed Cox.

[Roy Corduroy]

Edward Marriott

[Monty]

Nope.

Next clue, Sweep.

Monty
:)

[Jon Simons]

It`s not PC Sooty is it, Neil?

[Robert Linford]

Watkins, Monty?

[Monty]

I'm afraid not chaps.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

One of the City PCs/DCs lived near there I reckon.



The City PC I'm referring to actually lived across the road from the Church in his younger days, prior to joining the force


Robert Sagar - the South Hackney years

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[Monty]

I'm afraid not Roy,

We are looking for a different ageing rooster.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Next clue, Sweep.



Daniel Halse, who ordered a sweep of the area.

Roy

[Monty]

Closer Roy but alas no.

The clue is in 'ageing rooster'.....for which another name is?

Monty
:)

[Robert Linford]

Hutt!

[Monty]

Oooh, Robert beat you to it Roy Old Cock.

Yes, a teenage George Henry Hutt lived at 1 Church Crescent, South Hackney.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Robert beat you to it Roy Old Cock
Well buckle my shoe! :o
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A church built 1865 situated in the present day London Borough of Tower Hamlets (the East End)

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No longer used as a church, inside it is converted to residential apartments.

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Can you name it please?

[Roy Corduroy]

A clue to the church pictured above
Does it ring a bell? 10124

[Monty]

St Michaels, Poplar way.

Monty
:)

[Debra Arif]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KENT-Church-St-Michael-all-angels-Bromley-1866-/280366394403?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item414723ac23#ht_1710wt_1139

I like this apartment better than the Durward street place. At least a comfy three piece is still fashionable in this part of town...even if it is orange.

[Roy Corduroy]

:mod: Correct again Monty and thank you for the link, Debs

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In 1962, the lady pictured, accompanied by the Mayor of Stepney, paid a visit to a historic East End site rebuilt after war damage.
Who is she and Where was she?

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Today

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[Robert Linford]

I think the lady was the Queen, and is that her mum in the background by the steps?

[Monty]

Looks like the Trinity Almshouses to me.

Monty
:)

[Chris G.]

I think the lady was the Queen, and is that her mum in the background by the steps?

It's handbags at thirty paces. . . . :tongue1:

[Roy Corduroy]

Right on both counts gentlemen :mod: :mod:
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A church built 1879. Destroyed in World War II, but the congregation rebuilt to a modern design, next photo.
Can you name this church please?

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[Monty]

Walked by it today Roy and for the life of me cannot recall its name.

Its off Adler Street.....bugger, what is its name now?

Monty
:)

[Rob Clack]

Right on both counts gentlemen :mod: :mod:
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A church built 1879. Destroyed in World War II, but the congregation rebuilt to a modern design, next photo.
Can you name this church please?

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Can't remember the exact name but it is a Roman Catholic German Church. The is a Ripper connection at the end of the street on the left.

Rob

[Monty]

There's a guy who used to live in Adler St when he was a lad during the war, when that stretch got bombed, who reckons he is related to Watkins.

That's a useless fact.

Re Robs poser.....Inspector Reid and John Bennett as an additional clue.

Monty
:)

[Rob Clack]

Re Robs poser.....Inspector Reid and John Bennett as an additional clue.

Monty
:)

Make that another Ripper connection then :) not what I am thinking.

Rob

[Roy Corduroy]

:mod: :mod: Thank you Monty & Rob you are on the right track. Yes it is a German Catholic church on Adler (formerly Union) Street and the name is St Boniface.

The is a Ripper connection at the end of the street on the left.



In 1900 Metropolitan Police Constable Ernest Thompson (who had discovered Frances Coles the night of her murder in 1891) was killed in the line of duty, stabbed in the throat making an arrest in a street brawl. (click to read the article) (http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/eastern_post/easternpost001208.html) It occured opposite the Morrison Buildings, at the corner of Union St & Commercial Road. Still standing and pictured below.

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[Monty]

Ah, didn't know that Roy, thanks.

I think Rob is referring to a building in that street and a significant event which happened around the 10th September 1888.

Monty
:)

[Monty]

Make that another Ripper connection then :) not what I am thinking.

Rob

Sorry Rob,

I missed this.

Monty
:)

[Rob Clack]

In 1900 Metropolitan Police Constable Ernest Thompson (who had discovered Frances Coles the night of her murder in 1891) was killed in the line of duty, stabbed in the throat making an arrest in a street brawl. (click to read the article) (http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/eastern_post/easternpost001208.html) It occured opposite the Morrison Buildings, at the corner of Union St & Commercial Road. Still standing and pictured below.



Hi Roy

I was thinking the other end of Union Street.

PC Thompson was stabbed near the corner of Church Lane. There was in fact two Morrison Buildings on Commercial Road. The other was on the south side and those were nearly opposite the stall where Thompson was stabbed.

Rob

[Roy Corduroy]

I was thinking the other end of Union Street.

Oh, okay, The other end.


PC Thompson was stabbed near the corner of Church Lane. There was in fact two Morrison Buildings on Commercial Road. The other was on the south side and those were nearly opposite the stall where Thompson was stabbed.


A map. The red areas are, from top to bottom - the corner where you have a Ripper connection item Rob, next is St Boniface church, then the Morrison Buildings North, (photo above, post 337) and finally the Morrison Buildings South. (photo below) If Constable Thompson's stabbing was opposite either Morrison Buildings wouldn't it be at the corner of Union St and Commercial Road? Help me out please.

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[Rob Clack]

Oh, okay, The other end.


Sorry Roy, my error, I meant the end of Union Row.


A map. The red areas are, from top to bottom - the corner where you have a Ripper connection item Rob, next is St Boniface church, then the Morrison Buildings North, (photo above, post 337) and finally the Morrison Buildings South. (photo below) If Constable Thompson's stabbing was opposite either Morrison Buildings wouldn't it be at the corner of Union St and Commercial Road? Help me out please.


Hmmmm, your probably right here. From what I have read about Thompson's murder, it occured at Butchers Coffee stall (which I have marked in blue, and some newspapers I have read seem to say that. I've got a copy of the Inquest testimony and the trial papers and the stabbing would appear to have occured on the pavement/street by Morrisons Buildings, the one by Union Street.

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Rob

[Roy Corduroy]

Thank you Rob for your input on the death of PC Thompson.

Your question posed about the area you circled in red - inside that circle you see a rectangle. That is Sion Square. The Ripper connection is Aaron Kosminski was admitted to workhouse from 3 Sion Square. His brother Wolff Abrahams lived there we think.

And there is an odd thing about Sion Square which relates back to the original church question. St Boniface Catholic Church was constructed on the site of the earlier Zion Chapel, a congregationalist church at that location. But on some old maps it was called Sion Chapel. And the square there was named Sion Square. Not Zion. They switched the Z to an S.

That's tricky :spy:

Roy

[Rob Clack]

Thank you Rob for your input on the death of PC Thompson.

Your question posed about the area you circled in red - inside that circle you see a rectangle. That is Sion Square. The Ripper connection is Aaron Kosminski was admitted to workhouse from 3 Sion Square. His brother Wolff Abrahams lived there we think.

And there is an odd thing about Sion Square which relates back to the original church question. St Boniface Catholic Church was constructed on the site of the earlier Zion Chapel, a congregationalist church at that location. But on some old maps it was called Sion Chapel. And the square there was named Sion Square. Not Zion. They switched the Z to an S.

That's tricky :spy:

Roy

That's right Roy. Speaking of Sion/Zion. There was a Zion Chapel on Whitechapel Road on the South side almost opposite Brady Street. It is listed as Zion on Maps and Sion in the 1899 Directory.

Rob

[Roy Corduroy]

I see it Rob on the old map, the Zion Chapel at that place. Today the site is the Whitechapel Mission.

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Which leads us to the next quiz question:

Pictured below is the previous home of the mission, beginning in 1895. But before that, this building figured prominently in the Ripper case.
What was this building named in 1888?

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[Roy Corduroy]

Maybe the previous question wasn't clear. Here is a better one.

What role did this building play in the Whitechapel murders?

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[Nemo]

Is it something to do with an address for Kosminski?

Or is that where the Tabram inquest was held?

[Nemo]

I might be thinking of David Cohen - off the top of my head, I recall something about an address next door to the institute

[Monty]

It does what it says on the tin.....The Working Lads institute held the Inquests into the majority of the murders.

It is now covered in tarpaulin so I dread what's happening to it.

Monty
:)

[The Grave Maurice]

It is now covered in tarpaulin so I dread what's happening to it.
I hate to hear that, Monty. I still can't get over what they did to my namesake pub. Soon, little of significance (to us, at least) will remain in that area.

[Chris G.]

It does what it says on the tin.....The Working Lads institute held the Inquests into the majority of the murders.

It is now covered in tarpaulin so I dread what's happening to it.

Monty
:)

Hopefully it is just being renovated and made beautiful.

-- he said, saying a little prayer. :pray:

[Roy Corduroy]

In Ripper times, there were four (4) Church of England churches in Whitechapel.
This one was built 1839 and closed in 1926. Can you name this church please?

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[Monty]

Hey Roy,

St Marks, Tenter Ground I believe.

Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes it is, Monty. Here is another Church of England church in Whitechapel.
Can you name it please?

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[Monty]

Hey Roy,

Rev Barnetts place, St Judes Commercial st.

Cheers
Monty
:)

[Roy Corduroy]

Again you are correct sir, so here are two views of another Whitechapel church. 17th century, then replaced by 19th century, which building was destroyed in WWII. Can you name this church please?

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[Monty]

I could Roy,

However I fear I'm monopolising the game, let's see if someone else can name this one.

Strong connection to the Nichols case here.

Monty
:)

[The Grave Maurice]

It was nice of Monty to pass on this one. It's St Mary's Whitechapel, innit?

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes it is St Mary's :mod:
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Pictured below - consecrated 1847 and of the four Whitechapel Church of England churches in Ripper times is the only building still standing. Today a nursery.
Can you name this church please?

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[Monty]

Again I'll pass on this one,

However I will give two Jack related clues, if I may.

1) A Doctor was called from his home on this Street to a woman whose body was found close by...ie, its near a murder scene.

2) A suspect did what was deemed an incriminating act at the time in the building next to the church.

Monty
:)

[The Grave Maurice]

Hmmm. Well, if the doctor was Frederick Oxley, I'm guessing this must be St Paul's Dock Street.

[Monty]

That is the Doctor I'm referring to Ken.

Monty
:)

[The Grave Maurice]

Ta, Neil. And thanks very much, Roy, for the great photos and questions.

[Roy Corduroy]

You're welcome and glad you enjoy it, Grave One.
A suspect did what was deemed an incriminating act at the time in the building next to the church.


Next to St Paul's was the Sailors Home, where Tom Sadler's knife changed hands.
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London's Blue Plaques commemorate famous people. Where is this one located please?

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[Nemo]

Is it in Pinchin St, "underneath the arches"?

[Roy Corduroy]

No, Nemo it isn't Pinchin St. But try again please. You are getting warm. The plaque is located near one of the Whitechapel murder sites.

Roy

[Monty]

Hanbury Streety Roy,

Just a few yards down from 29, opposite side of the road, on your way to the Golden Hart.

Monty
:)

[Paul]

Hanbury Streety Roy,

Just a few yards down from 29, opposite side of the road, on your way to the Golden Hart.

Monty
:)

Had breakfast there many a time!

[Monty]

Had breakfast there many a time!

We had a few drinks in the Golden Hart, didnt we Paul?

Monty
:)

[Paul]

We had a few drinks in the Golden Hart, didnt we Paul?

Monty
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We have indeed. The plague is on the wall of a cafe - or what was once a cafe - and they did the best bubble in the... well, actually, anywhere. So when I used to stay at the Ten Bells I used to go there for breakfast. The Golden Hart - or the landlady, Sandra - is an East End legend, of course, and because of her the pub is pretty unique. We must share some beers there again. I was last in there with John Bennett. Must go back in the [I]Pride[I] too. Haven't been in there for a while. Nice pub. Unique. Sigh!
Paul

[Monty]

Sandra the current Landlady?

If so she scares the bejasus out of me. I recall her slinging out a drunk one Sunday lunchtime, she barely 5ft, him well over 6ft, and the effin n jeffin.

Monty
:)

[Paul]

Sandra the current Landlady?

If so she scares the bejasus out of me. I recall her slinging out a drunk one Sunday lunchtime, she barely 5ft, him well over 6ft, and the effin n jeffin.

Monty
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That sounds like Sandra. I remember her and her late husband, Denis, in the rough old days; she had to be tough as they come - and she was. You saw her. Not a lady to suffer fools gladly! But when the pub got taken up by the art crowd she was touted in the newspapers as one of the most influential figures in the British art world. I mentioned this to her. "what a crock of sh-t that is," she replied dismissively and got on with running the pub. It's where there was a social gathering on 9 November 1988 - Don Rumbelow, Tom Cullen, Robin Odell, Martin and Keith ..

[Monty]

Hey Paul,

Her daughter helps out now I think.

This happened nigh on a year ago. Drunk walks by and sees Sandra so decides to carry on. He does this about 3 times, each time he sees her via the open door and carries on. She then goes out back to get water for the flowers.

The drunk, who is now passing a 4th time notes she isn't at the bar and tentatively enters. Sees the daughter and just opens his mouth to speak when you hear a "fack orf, you aint getting no drink 'ere. Sandra had returned.

Drunk - why not?

Sandra - Cos you're pissed.

Drunk (steadfastly holding on to the bar) - No I aint, its my condition.

Sandra - Condition? Too right its your condition. Now stop taking the piss and go.

Drunk - What you gonna do if I....

He didn't even finish that sentence as Sandra was out from behind the bar chasing him up Commercial Street.

She came back to the bar then turned to me and asked what I wanted to drink....anything you say me duck.....anything you say.

Monty
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[Caroline Morris]

Ah, the lovely Sandra, one of London's great eccentrics. She was chatting away to us and full of the joys one Sunday lunchtime when she spied an unwelcome customer and sent him packing. She was magnificent. Great pub, the Golden Heart, well named with a great atmosphere. Sadly Sandra wasn't behind the bar when I was there the other Sunday, but it was still very hard to leave the old place.

Love,

Caz
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[Roy Corduroy]

Thank you Caz, Paul, & Monty for sharing
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Okay we looked at the 1711 Act churches. In the next century, another Act brought new construction in England and Wales. Including the one pictured here, built to a design by John Shaw in 1840. Unfortunately bombed in WWII. Can you name this church located in the East End of London please?

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[The Grave Maurice]

I know, I know.

[The Grave Maurice]

Think of a colourful keg.

[Monty]

What? A red one Ken?

Christ Church Watney St.

Monty
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[Roy Corduroy]

Yes, that's the one fellas. Thank you
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Recall this was St Boniface Roman Catholic Church (German) on Union Street

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Question: Who was the Ripper suspect that got married at St Boniface?

[The Grave Maurice]

Beats me, Roy. All I know is that George Chapman ran a pub on Union Street for a while.

[Roy Corduroy]

Beats me, Roy. All I know is that George Chapman ran a pub on Union Street for a while.

You're on the right track. Seweryn Klosowski married Lucy Baderski at St Boniface on Oct 29, 1889. (click here) (http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=486)

Roy

[m_w_r]

Hi Roy & GM,

Yes - different Union Street, though, as you may be aware.

Regards,

Mark

[The Grave Maurice]

Hiya Mark,

I'm sure Roy is aware of any difference (he seems to know everything) but I was only thinking of the one in Southwark.

[Roy Corduroy]

Oh I see, Mark. No that blew right past me, the Monument Pub on Union Street, Southwark. Thank you. St Boniface was on the Union St behind Whitechapel Church. And no, if I knew everything, Maurice, I could stump you folks. But I can't ! :mmph: Even when you're wrong, you're right!
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Okay, here's one. In 1891, whose office was located on the now vacant lot please?

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[The Grave Maurice]

Gee, I like the concept of being right even when I'm wrong. (I wonder, though, if my wife would buy that.) Anyway, I continue to enjoy your church questions, Roy. This one looks tough. Let me give it a think.

Ken

[Phillip Walton]

I read somewhere that Lusk's office was located outside a church.

[The Grave Maurice]

I think the church is St Dunstan's on Stepney High Street, but I'm drawing a blank on who had an office in that area.

[The Grave Maurice]

Now that I look at a map, Phillip, you might well be right about Lusk. His house was reasonably close by.

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes that is St Dunstan's church pictured.

As for Lusk, no, but thank you for your answer, Phillip. Because coincidentally, the man whose office was there was, along with Thomas Horrocks Openshaw, a Fellow in the Obstetrical Society of London.

Roy

[Monty]

Purely a guess, Roderick MacDonald?

Monty
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[Rob Clack]

Doctor Edmund Houchin.

Rob

[The Grave Maurice]

I think Rob has it. Look at this: http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-1624.html
Funny how his wife kept getting younger, though.

[The Grave Maurice]

Hiya Roy,

I hope you're busy devising another brilliant question, but we're waiting for you to tell us if Rob was right.

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes Rob is correct, thank you.
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On Good Friday 1850 this East End church burned. Was rebuilt and still stands.
Can you name the church please?

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[Monty]

A plaque marking this event is on this church.

Monty
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[The Grave Maurice]

The name of this church was given as an incorrect answer earlier in the thread.

[The Grave Maurice]

Hey! Roy goes to a lot of trouble to invent these excellent quizzes, so let's hear some guesses. Hint: In a well-known rhyme the name of this church is linked to a phrase for kitchen utensils, but it's a different church and a different spelling.

(It occurs to me that I'm going to feel really stupid if I'm thinking of the wrong church.)

[The Grave Maurice]

I seem to have, single-handedly, brought this thread to a screeching halt. It's St Anne's Limehouse, for heaven's sake.

Please post some more questions, Roy. I'll enjoy them, but I won't respond.

[Roy Corduroy]

Yes it is, thank you! :mod: Anyone is free to participate
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Another East End church situated in the present day London Borough of Tower Hamlets. Built 1856, destroyed in WWII and rebuilt.
Can you name this church please?

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[The Grave Maurice]

Damn. I know this one too, but I'll keep schtum.

[The Grave Maurice]

Hi Roy,

I actually only know a dozen or so churches in London but, lately, you seem to be picking the ones that I'm familiar with. Your latest choice, for example, is, literally, around the corner from the location of the house where my great-grandfather lived. Thanks again for your quizzes; I enjoy them immensely.

[Roy Corduroy]

I'm glad you enjoy the quiz, Ken. Doing it I learn some things about places. Oh yes, I recall you mentioned you great granddad. We were discussing the gasworks at Bow Common, you said he lived near there.

Roy

ps anytime you're ready please feel free to answer the question. :fear:

[The Grave Maurice]

Well, since you insist, Roy, and because it's in my family's old neighbourhood, and because there seem to be no other players, I'll guess St Paul's, Burdett Road.

[Roy Corduroy]

No, sorry, the one I pictured is St Mary and St Joseph Roman Catholic Church in Poplar. Both it and your church, St Paul's were built the same year, and both rebuilt after the war to a distinctly modern design.

Here is St Paul's, Bow Common Then and Now

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[The Grave Maurice]

Drat. Must have been the shape of the roof that confused me. Ah well.

[The Grave Maurice]

This is off topic but, since the thread is resting at the moment, I thought I might ask for advice. I'm very fond of visiting London churches and, since I'll be there this autumn, I've started compiling a list of those that I haven't yet been in. So far, I've got All Hallows by the Tower, St Olave Hart Street, St Mary Woolnoth, and St Stephen Walbrook.

Anyone know of others that are particularly worth visiting?

[Phil Kellingley]

This is off topic but, since the thread is resting at the moment, I thought I might ask for advice. I'm very fond of visiting London churches and, since I'll be there this autumn, I've started compiling a list of those that I haven't yet been in. So far, I've got All Hallows by the Tower, St Olave Hart Street, St Mary Woolnoth, and St Stephen Walbrook.

Anyone know of others that are particularly worth visiting?

There's a little guide book (the name of which I've forgotten) which shows all the churches in the City of London. They are all worth a visit. The most obvious church for City visitors is St Bartholomew the Great as it seems to be used for lots of films/TV programmes (think 4 Weddings and A Funeral).

You might find http://www.london-city-churches.org.uk/ helpful.