Eddowes not a prostitute...

[Currerbell]

Anyone like me think that Catherine Eddowes WAS NOT a prostitute???

[Bob Hinton]

Yup me. I put forward the theory that Eddowes was not a prostitute in my book ' From Hell' in 1998.

[Currerbell]

Great! I thought I was the only one!

Excellent, its nice to meet another author...can I ask your reasons why you dont think she was, or do I need to buy the book?!

[Bob Hinton]

Great! I thought I was the only one!

Excellent, its nice to meet another author...can I ask your reasons why you dont think she was, or do I need to buy the book?!

Well there is a copy for sale on Ebay at the moment.

Various reasons. Every other victim who was a prostitiute was acknowledged as such by friends and witnesses – not Eddowes.

When Eddowes and her partner ran out of money they hocked their boots. If she was a prostitute why didn’t Kelly just send her out to walk the streets for a few hours?

There are of course other arguments contained in the book but you could say those were the factors that started me thinking.

[How Brown]

Dear Judge Hinton:

What do you think of the likelihood or possibility that Kelly created the story of her going to see her daughter in Bermondsey...that it wasn't true...and that Kelly & Eddowes mutually accepted the condition that one of them needed to make money and quickly...and that the best way was for her to go out prossing since it would be the easist and fastest way ?

I put myself in his position here...and despite loathing to think that if I was Eddowes' partner and accepting that she'd have to prostitute herself....it may have been the quickest alternative to coming across some cash at that time. Maybe it was a lesser of two evils scenario...know she is out and about prossing being the lesser evil than shelter and food from those proceeds.

What do you think,sor ?

[Currerbell]

They are some of the reasons that got me thinking, at the inquest no one said she was one or hinted/accused etc of her being a prostitute...I dont think its fair to assume every female living in the East End was a 'hooker'...no matter how desperate they were, some would want to hold onto what dignity and pride that they could...

[Bob Hinton]

Dear Judge Hinton:

What do you think of the likelihood or possibility that Kelly created the story of her going to see her daughter in Bermondsey...that it wasn't true...and that Kelly & Eddowes mutually accepted the condition that one of them needed to make money and quickly...and that the best way was for her to go out prossing since it would be the easist and fastest way ?

Well it's always been my theory that she had the intention of trying to get money from Hutchinson as she believed that he might be the Ripper.

If you look at the circumstances Eddowes and Kelly did everything to raise money that night. As I said if Kelly knew she was a prostitute and had very little scruples about sending her out to walk the streets - why then did he pawn his boots and walk around barefoot? Why not send her out before pawning his boots?

And you still can't round the fact that after her death no one came forward to say she was a prostitute. Now compare that to all the other victims where this fact was acknowledged. Even Stride, who might not have been a full time street walker was said to have prostituted herself when in desperate need.

I don't think the average man in the street saw prostitution as such a terrible thing, given the appalling circumstances many of these women found themselves in.

[Mike Covell]

Great! I thought I was the only one!

Excellent, its nice to meet another author...can I ask your reasons why you dont think she was, or do I need to buy the book?!

Bob's book is an excellent read and really well put together Currerbell. I would try and get a copy if I was you.:high5:

[How Brown]

Bell:

You cannot eat dignity,Bell. By 1888,those who fell victim to the Ripper probably had been reduced to the last shreds of dignity left for them. The Australian maxim " A slice off a cut loaf is never missed" might apply here. By 1888,these women knew that it was an alternative to 16 hours in a factory. Call 'em lazy...I call them worldweary.

We live in an age where the perception of being a prostitute is one of high heels,2 pounds of lipstick and rouge, coiffured hair...and a street corner...a little wiggle in the hiney and off into a car with a stranger.

Not so in the LVP. Many of the women...and in particular from the list of victims: Nichols,Eddowes,Chapman, and Stride...are older women... and had side jobs and took to prossing as an alternative to the low paying side jobs or the cessation of said side jobs.

While the motivation may be the same in 2009 as in 1888 ( support of a deadbeat man...support of a habit,such as drink...lack of willpower to get up and go to work...character flaw) the difference ( to me ) is that in 1888 it wasn't a matter of a woman like Chapman waking up with some plan to stash some of the cash for an orange grove in Florida in the future...but just to get enough to support their habits and wait for Death. I think it was easier and more acceptable in the minds of the citizenry in 1888, despite the percieved view of a stodgy LVP, to consider Aunt Bessie hiking her skirts to make ends meet.

There's a lot of fatalism inherent to studying the WM that some of us may overlook in our quest for data and the detached, emotion free, accumulation of facts.

True, not all women in the LVP in the East End were prosses. Empty barrels make the loudest noise. The X percent of the women who didn't pross get virtually no recognition.

Sorry to ramble on here...my head hurts from last night.

[Currerbell]

No probs How, I hope the head feels better soon...

[SirRobertAnderson]

Yup me. I put forward the theory that Eddowes was not a prostitute in my book ' From Hell' in 1998.

It must be said that "From Hell" is a painstakingly researched, extremely well written book; it's one of the top suspect driven works.

Ironically, Bob himself will burn in Hell for all eternity for being the progenitor of the Hutch 'debate' on Casebook, but that should not concern readers of this fine book.


From the Forums' own Mike Covell's review on Amazon UK"

1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Fantastic, 10 Jul 2008
By Mr. Michael Covell "Mike Covell" (Hull) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
Although I buy a lot of books on the subject of Ripperology it is rare I find a suspect based book which ignites my passion and inspires me. Yet Bob Hinton's "From Hell" did just that. Whilst I don't agree with the suspect Bob has come up with, I loved the trail taken to get us to the point of naming him.

Bob's knowledge of the case is fantastic and his ability to name drop fantastic articles in newspapers further added fuel to his fire.

The victim's sections were well written and nicely paced but what struck me is Bob's knowledge of weaponry. The Tabram murder is one of the strangest of the period as people are still debating over how many weapons were used. Bob "cuts" through the fallacies and presents us with a well illustrated example of what is probably the instrument used.

A "Bloody" good read for a suspect book.

[Currerbell]

Thanks for the info, I had a look on amazon...

[SirRobertAnderson]

Thanks for the info, I had a look on amazon...

Ironically the used copies there are all available from U.S. sellers. Talk about carrying coals to Newcastle!

I seem to remember buying a reprinted copy directly from Bob himself. Perhaps the reprint has also gone out of print.

It is well worth pursuit; it's a work of serious scholarship and insight.

If all suspect books were of this caliber, I don't think How would be so down on them.

[Stan Reid]

Eddowes was working undercover but not in the sex trade - perhaps.

[SirRobertAnderson]

And you still can't round the fact that after her death no one came forward to say she was a prostitute. Now compare that to all the other victims where this fact was acknowledged.

I believe that she was the only victim whose autopsy included testing for the presence of sperm, which was negative.

[How Brown]

Sorry for the late response to your reply,Judge Hinton.

The point you made:


As I said if Kelly knew she was a prostitute and had very little scruples about sending her out to walk the streets - why then did he pawn his boots and walk around barefoot? Why not send her out before pawning his boots?


....is food for thought for sure. I haven't read your book,so this is all new to me.

Allow me to add that there has been a reference found which shows Kelly stating he was aware of her prossing...Stephen Ryder found it about 4 years ago and it had been discussed before. Perhaps you've seen it, sir?

I cannot remember the name of the paper but it was an article which was more or less "a night in a lodging house" and Kelly was "interviewed".

You've given me an inducement to think the Eddowes-as-pross theory out further. Thanks.

[SirRobertAnderson]

I haven't read your book,so this is all new to me.

Sounds like we can drum up a few sales right here ! This Bob says that Bob's book is heads and shoulders above the suspect book genre as to allow me to say you would reassess your negative views on such, How. Just because everyone else fits up their suspect is not the case here. Further, to his credit, that Bob, unlike this Bob, is quite willing to admit to errors that may have crept into his work.


Allow me to add that there has been a reference found which shows Kelly stating he was aware of her prossing...Stephen Ryder found it about 4 years ago and it had been discussed before. Perhaps you've seen it, sir?

I cannot remember the name of the paper but it was an article which was more or less "a night in a lodging house" and Kelly was "interviewed".
.

I think I remember this. Weren't various inhabitants sitting around having tea while they all reminisced ? I don't remember if it was at Cooney's Lodging House or somewhere else where Kelly may have moved to afterwards.

[SirRobertAnderson]

This is not the interview How just mentioned, but the Sun from October 3rd 1888. Here's two snippets:

"The man's name is John Kelly, and

THE STORY HE TELLS is one of very great interest....

"If Kate ever went with other men I never knew it." ......

......"We'll pop the boots and have a bite to eat anyway." "Oh, no," says she, "don't do that;" but I told her I'd pawn the shirt off my back to keep her out of the street, for she had had only a few odd jobs for a goodish spell back.

I can read the second statement as being more ambiguous than the first, and the first leaves some wiggle room for a 'don't ask don't tell" situation.

You know, the explanation here just might be that Kelly and Eddowes really loved each other, and were themselves likable people that no one wanted to say anything bad about after the murder.

[Monty]

You really must ask yourselves the question why was she found where she was found?

Monty
:)

[Bob Hinton]

You really must ask yourselves the question why was she found where she was found?

Monty
:)


Because she tried to blackmail the Ripper and he killed her. Eddowes was seen with a man at the end of Church passage having a conversation. When the witnesses looked back they were still in conversation. Surely that much talking would not have been necessary if it was a simple matter of a prostitute and a client?

I believe she had arranged to meet the killer (Hutchinson) at that place earlier in the evening. That is why it was so important for her to know the exact time at the police station. That is why when leaving the police station she didn't go home but went in the opposite direction.

Eddowes was arrested earlier for being drunk. She had no money, no where to sleep and the weather was foul. Being arrested under those conditions is a drunks dream. Nice warm cell, cup of tea in the morning and off you go. The rules were simple, you got your head down, didn't cause any trouble and the police let you stay.

Eddowes did exactly the opposite. She kept singing to let the police know she was awake, and literally got herself ejected onto the streets. Why?

Because she had an appointment to keep.

Many thanks for all the nice things said about my book. My head is now so swollen I'll have to leave the office sideways!

[How Brown]

Thanks for elaborating even further,Judge Hinton.

Permit me to ask you this:

1. Why, if Eddowes felt she knew who the Ripper may have been and in fact was going to try to shake down Hutchinson, did she get tanked up on this night in question?
A. Why not appear sober at the meeting?
B. Why risk missing the rendezvous by being jailed? Had she been a few streets in another direction, she'd have been arrested in and under City police jurisdiction in which case she would not have been released until the next day.
C. Kelly doesn't seem to have had any idea of this presumed knowledge on Eddowes' part as to who the Ripper was and she was as intimate with Kelly as she was ever going to get with anyone at that point in time. In short, why didn't Kelly express to anyone else that Eddowes had a notion who the killer was ( of whom we know he conversed with )? Wouldn't he then be just as much of a risk to Hutchinson since Kelly,having appeared at the Inquest and still maintained residence in the East End could be considered an equal threat to Hutchinson's security ?

Thank you.

[Monty]

Bob,

Because she tried to blackmail the Ripper and he killed her. Eddowes was seen with a man at the end of Church passage having a conversation. When the witnesses looked back they were still in conversation. Surely that much talking would not have been necessary if it was a simple matter of a prostitute and a client?


Its not been established beyond doubt it was Eddowes in conversation. However, its highly likely it was.

Lawendes sighting was fleeting, seconds if that. He didnt linger to time the discourse. Besides, they may have noted the Lawende and Co and waited for them to leave.

Eddowes was arrested earlier for being drunk. She had no money, no where to sleep and the weather was foul. Being arrested under those conditions is a drunks dream. Nice warm cell, cup of tea in the morning and off you go. The rules were simple, you got your head down, didn't cause any trouble and the police let you stay.

Eddowes did exactly the opposite. She kept singing to let the police know she was awake, and literally got herself ejected onto the streets. Why?

Because she had an appointment to keep.

Or because she wanted to earn money.

Monty
:)

[Mr. Poster]

Without meaning to be trivial.......it has always struck me that if I had a skinful and was then locked up for a while, the first thing I would be thinking of after leaving the copshop would be to find a quiet dark spot to take a leak in.

Somewhere perhaps like Mitre Square.

p

[Currerbell]

Surely any alley way/dark corridor/place would do, such as the bit near Goulston Street for example...

[Mr. Poster]

HI Bell

Less chance of people walking by in Mitre Square perhap?

Was public peeing illegal in those days?

p

[Currerbell]

True Mr P, all possible...would there not have been a WC at the copshop??? Or is that too modern?!

[Robert Linford]

I would like to add to the praise for Bob's book, which is a very interesting and logical work on the case. However :

Bob, why on earth would she be trying to blackmail Hutchinson? How much money did she think she was going to get from an in-and-out-of-work groom? Even before her own murder sent the reward money skyrocketing, there was more reward on offer than Hutch could ever give her. So why didn't she just claim it?

Also, Eddowes isn't generally viewed as stupid. To try to blackmail someone like Jack the Ripper at 1.30 AM without backup seems to me to be reckless in the extreme.

Sorry if you've already answered these questions in the book, it's a while since I read it.

[Mr. Poster]

In all sincerity and with genuine admiration for anyone willing to commit their opinions to the printed page and in full recognition of the hoo haa's and general malarkey around GH threads but:

very interesting and logical work on the case

I do not see how a body of logical work can conclude that GH was anything but innocent of the murder of Kelly. Because it is fundamentally illogical to think he did, the actions he would have had to pursue in his subsequent activities were illogical and so on.

And to preempt any one who thinks I'm dissing, messing with or other wise denigrating the good name of Bob H. .....I ain't.

I'm saying its not logical to conclude that GH killed Kelly or anyone else.

p

[Robert Linford]

Lars, I think the non-suspect parts of the book are very logical. As for GH, I think Bob has pushed the case for him as far as it can be pushed - he makes a good job of it. If ultimately the suspect remains unproven, then such is the fate of any suspect book.

[Currerbell]

I think its just another bit of Ripper folklore...that she knew who he was...I dont believe it...

[Mr. Poster]

Howdy RL

I think the non-suspect parts of the book are very logical.

Thats fair enough then.

p

[Currerbell]

Is it just me and Bob then that think Kate wasnt a prostitute?

[A.P. Wolf]

Well I guess one of the major hurdles is that Eddowes was identified by a serving police officer as a woman he had commonly seen solicitating in the area of Aldgate High Street.

[Currerbell]

Really???? Oh bugger, thats my theory down the pot...who was the policeman???

[Mr. Poster]

Well I guess one of the major hurdles is that Eddowes was identified by a serving police officer as a woman he had commonly seen solicitating in the area of Aldgate High Street.

Well...one has to admit that is a bit of a hurdle.

p

[Sam Flynn]

Well I guess one of the major hurdles is that Eddowes was identified by a serving police officer as a woman he had commonly seen solicitating in the area of Aldgate High Street.
You're not thinking of Walter Dew's claim that he'd often seen Mary Kelly parading along Whitechapel Rd and Aldgate, are you, AP?

[Monty]

The Morning Advertiser of October 1st 1888 reads:-

..one of the Policemen who saw the body expressed his confident opinion that he had seen the woman several times walking in the neighbourhood of Aldgate High Street.

The Officer is not named but could either be Robinson, Holland, Harvey, Simmons or another.

Monty
:)

[Currerbell]

...confident opinion eh? What does one make of that...

Thanks for the info Monty...

[Sam Flynn]

Cheers, MontyThe Morning Advertiser of October 1st 1888 reads:-

..one of the Policemen who saw the body expressed his confident opinion that he had seen the woman several times walking in the neighbourhood of Aldgate High Street.
I note that this observation follows on directly from a paragraph claiming Eddowes was of the "unfortunate class", and the paper implies that in connection with the policeman's statement. However, it could just have been an observation that she was seen by the policeman that evening, wandering back and forth before she slumped in a drunken heap on the floor. If the copper had said that it was his "confident opinion that he'd seen the woman on previous occasions walking in the neighbourhood..." it would be less ambiguous.

[Currerbell]

so, she still might not have been a prostitute...in my confident opinion...

[Monty]

Cheers, Monty
I note that this observation follows on directly from a paragraph claiming Eddowes was of the "unfortunate class", and the paper implies that in connection with the policeman's statement. However, it could just have been an observation that she was seen by the policeman that evening, wandering back and forth before she slumped in a drunken heap on the floor. If the copper had said that it was his "confident opinion that he'd seen the woman on previous occasions walking in the neighbourhood..." it would be less ambiguous.

Gareth,

I agree, it could be implied so.

However if it was on that evening why isnt that reported (which would have caused a sensation, one the press would have ceased upon) and, more to the point, why isnt it officially mentioned during inquest or the attempt to ID her?

Coulda, woulda, shoulda....it will not be known for certain.

Monty
:)

[Currerbell]

is this newspaper report on the casebook by any chance?

[Sam Flynn]

is this newspaper report on the casebook by any chance?
Yup. Look under "Press Reports" section for the Morning Advertiser - which is a useful alternative source of info, by the way. Very full reports, often with surprising additional detail that you won't find in the pages of the "usual suspects" (the Star, Telegraph and Times). Not that I'm pretending it's any more or less "definitive" - the usual warnings about "not believing everything you read in the papers" applies to all of them.

[Currerbell]

Thank you Sam, will take a wonder over to that garden path too...

[Robert Linford]

"Seen several times" with police beats lasting 15 minutes or so would, if this were all on the evening of 29th-30th, suggest that she was in fact doing her own "beat" on her patch.

[Sam Flynn]

"Seen several times" with police beats lasting 15 minutes or so would, if this were all on the evening of 29th-30th, suggest that she was in fact doing her own "beat" on her patch.Or that he'd seen her a few times drunkenly wobbling along Aldgate High Street (was that a known resort of prostitutes?) as he passed by on his beat, Rob.

[Currerbell]

you cant walk fast or in a straight line when one is pissed, trust me, I know...

[Robert Linford]

Hi Gareth

That would be rather odd. Let's say "a few" means at least three. Then she would have to go walkies for at least half an hour (if we take the first sighting as the start of the half hour) and maybe for as long as 45 minutes. Or else she was seen at widely separated times and was maybe doing the rounds of the pubs. By then she would surely have been in a state to be arrested? But she wasn't arrested till the so-called fire engine business at 8.30.

[Currerbell]

she must have been alone since leaving the copshop, or surely someone would come forward as a witness as to having seen her after

[Robert Linford]

Well, if it was a man - whether customer or no - he might have been reluctant.

[A.P. Wolf]

Quite right, Robert, and being opposite to the Aldgate Pump I'm not surprised to see Eddowes imitating its fire fighting qualities when no other water was available to dampen Sam's ardour.
Didn't a small boy also offer the information that he had seen Eddowes by the pump earlier in the evening, prior to 8.30?
But perhaps he was blind, like Sam?

[Currerbell]

True Robert....I never thought of that...but she cant have had recent sex, or wouldnt there have been signs/marks about her...and none were there on the autopsy, but that still doesnt mean she didnt get lucky with someone so to speak before going to Mitre Sq...


(providing she WAS a prostitute, which goes against my gut feeling hence the origin of this thread)

[Robert Linford]

AP, I think there was a fire station at the back of the Square, and I think I remember (not sure though) that it was called out that night. As a steam engine it would have made all kinds of hissing noises that would doubtless have been hilarious to a drunken woman.

That small boy gets around, doesn't he? He'll be in the frame if he's not careful.

Currer, we don't know what services she may have offered, assuming she was a prostitute. It has been speculated that Stride's cachous were to remove bad tastes, but perhaps this is only oral history.

[How Brown]

Excuse me Lars:

Without meaning to be trivial.......it has always struck me that if I had a skinful and was then locked up for a while, the first thing I would be thinking of after leaving the copshop would be to find a quiet dark spot to take a leak in.

Somewhere perhaps like Mitre Square.

Too far away,mon frere...why hold it that long? That would be my thought on the matter of her bladder.


She left Bishopsgate Police Station and headed into the direction of Mitre Square or at least wound up there. In the interim,had nature called,she had a number of places to urinate at before Mitre Square, if not in the police station.

Yet...it isn't a bad idea,is it...that from the time she left the station until she reached Mitre Square...the pressure began to build up in her and she may have decided at that time to pee.

I doubt if it would have been the first thing if she had waited that long before peeing,Lars...is what I'm trying to say...and yet she may have peed in Mitre Square. You dig,daddio?

Back to the thread....

[Currerbell]

How - I said earlier she could have gone in the copshop providing it had a WC, dont know what their facilities were like back then...

Robert- for some reason I feel very dirty minded tonight...Im quite shocked at myself for thinking the wrong things about cachous sweets, bad tastes and oral history...:tape:

[Robert Linford]

Currer, I won't mention the fruit stains on Stride's hanky then.

Probably the facilities at the clink amounted to a bucket.

[Currerbell]

ps how long do u think it would take to walk from Aldgate High St to the copshop on Bishopgate with a woman who could hardly stand up?

[Mr. Poster]

HI How

I have no idea at all about where one might pee between there and Mitre Square and in all fairness just threw it out there as a fairly trivial comment engendered by the usual questions as to where she was off to.

I added up what possible motivators could have been driving her and it occurred to me that after some hours in the cells with a load of beer taken on.....a pee would not have been out of the question.

Nothing like a blast of cold air to weaken th ebladder.....

But I do not contend that that is the absolute reason why she ended up in Mitre Sqr. Not by a long chalk.

p

[Monty]

AP, I think there was a fire station at the back of the Square, and I think I remember (not sure though) that it was called out that night. As a steam engine it would have made all kinds of hissing noises that would doubtless have been hilarious to a drunken woman.

That small boy gets around, doesn't he? He'll be in the frame if he's not careful.

Currer, we don't know what services she may have offered, assuming she was a prostitute. It has been speculated that Stride's cachous were to remove bad tastes, but perhaps this is only oral history.

Robert,

There was indeed a manned station in St James Place. It consisted of around 8 men (memory here so I may be wrong on the amount) and a fire cart with ladders, not engine. It was being converted around 1888 from wood to brick.

ps how long do u think it would take to walk from Aldgate High St to the copshop on Bishopgate with a woman who could hardly stand up?

Approximately 15 minutes, according to Police evidence. 20 mins from being picked up to the cells.

Robinson found her at 8.30pm, Station Sergeant Byfield noted their (Robinson, Eddowes and Simmons) arrival as 8.45pm. Robinson also states she was in the cells by 8.50pm.

Monty
:)

[Robert Linford]

No engine, Monty? Thanks.

[Bob Hinton]

I covered the allegation that Eddowes was a well-known prostitute in my book. What it boils down to is this. The first mention I could find of Eddowes being a prostitute was in Dan Farson’s book ‘Autumn of Terror’.

In this he states that Major Smith asserted that:

“The beat of Catharine Eddowes was a small one …she was known to a good many constables”

Two things. First of all how do you rate Major Smith, who never let the facts stand in the way of a good story, as a reliable source?

Secondly his statement is typical of a Senior Officer who never walked a beat. The City of London Police covers what is arguably the smallest area in the world, a single square mile. Beat officers knew every nook and cranny of their beat – and the villains who worked there. They certainly knew the majority of the working girls. Look at Dew who gives details of the working girls he knew.

So that being the case how is it possible that with a ‘prostitute’ (Eddowes) who was well known to the beat officers in the area not one single officer who came across her that night, from the beat officers who arrested her to the desk sergeant and station officers knew her name!

When she was arrested she gave her name as ‘nothing’ and back at the nick she was booked under the name of ‘Kelly’. This doesn’t really back up Smiths assertion that she was ‘known to a good many constables’ does it?

[Pilgrim]

.....

[Monty]

Rob,

No, two wheeled escape van if I remember right.

I think its reported in the Star....I maybe wrong of course.

Monty
:)

[Monty]

Pilgrim,

This is most likely an account of Lawende and Levys sighting, as Harris stated he saw nothing.

Monty
:)

[Nemo]

I think if Eddowes was a prostitute then she was a very reluctant one judging by the other means by which she attempted to make some money

I think the police could easily have known her by sight only - identifying her as an "unfortunate" even though they never spoke to her or knew her name

[Currerbell]

Thanks Pilgrim for the newspaper report....and to Monty for possibly/probably identifying the 2 witnesses...

Bob - your post was extremely interesting to me...if anyone is going to know her it will be the bobbies on the beat, no Major is going to be remotely interested in knowing the names and patches of every prossie in the City, surely?

And you have a point there about them not knowing her name and asking it....

[Pilgrim]

.....

[Currerbell]

An examination of the sewers under Mitre-square was made yesterday without result. The inquest on the second victim will be opened on Thursday.
At eight o'clock yesterday morning, it was discovered that the Aldgate Post-office had been entered by thieves, the safe burst open, and money and stamps to the value of nearly 400l. stolen. The building is very near Mitre-square, the scene of one of the recent murders.
It is supposed that the robbery took place on Saturday night, for it seems incredible that any thieves should have been daring enough to enter the premises after the great commotion caused by the discovery of the murder but a few yards away, and the consequent presence of so many police in the district.


From the Morning Advertiser 2 Oct 1888


Interesting to note they searched the sewers, that seems a modern thing to me...

Also, interesting to read about the post office, near to Mitre Sq, being hit.

[Chris G.]

From the Morning Advertiser 2 Oct 1888


Interesting to note they searched the sewers, that seems a modern thing to me...

Also, interesting to read about the post office, near to Mitre Sq, being hit.


Don't forget Victor Hugo's novel Les Miserables (1862), wherein the protagonist Jean Valjean effects his subterranean escape by means of the Parisian sewer system.

Chris

[Currerbell]

Havent read Les Miserables, tho I can probably sympathise with them...