The Large Dossier at Scotland Yard

[How Brown]

Thread for discussing a motive for the "large dossier" at Scotland Yard on Dr. Tumblety.

To start with:

1. Tumblety as possible "mailman" for the Fenians. Most people with Fenian sympathies were homebound or were less likely to travel abroad as our man about town was.

2. Tumblety as money launderer for Fenians.

3. Tumblety's mere association with Fenian people which may have been politically based or non-political.


Those are three to start with.

Anymore?

[A.P. Wolf]

Not at all, How.
The dossier at SY would have included several criminal cases in which Tumblety was involved in the UK, these being his trial for manslaughter; the claim and counter claims involved with the young man who 'stole' his gold watch; and a series of complaints connected to these cases prosecuted by aggrieved family members whose relations had taken some of the good doctor's cures.
As a high profile Irish American in 1888 he would have been followed as a matter of course, and evidence of his outlawed relationships with young men would have been duly noted and recorded, eventually leading to his prosecution when perhaps taken in for questioning because of his hat and American accent.

[How Brown]

A.P.:

Please fill me/us in on this case of manslaughter in the U.K....plus some instances of the aggrieved parties who complained in the U.K. of his medical shenanigans.

I take it you believe that there is a kernel of truth in the claim that he was arrested for something relative to the Whitechapel Murders then....because I for one don't. Not that what I think matters on this issue, but I'd like for you to expand on your views if you have time,sor....

Would Scotland Yard keep a file on a minor/misdemeanor offense such as someone nicking a watch? If so,they must have had a lot of files in Scotland Yard,I'd think.

[A.P. Wolf]

How, I posted all the relevant detail on this thread some three million years ago. Enjoy!

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[A.P. Wolf]

****ing 'ell! I just posted a link that works.
fhat the wuck, I'm getting good at this.

[Nemo]

I came across an account of life in Rochester in which it was stated that people with illnesses always attended at the drug store - where no charge was made except for the drugs - rather than the doctor's, unless seriously ill obviously

Tumblety's statement that he only sold drugs and knew nothing of disease seems related to this - though he did not say as such in his ads

[Joe Chetcuti]

The Bucks County Gazette reported that Tumblety "dropped mysterious hints" to the English authorities prior to his London arrest. This may have been true. Even Conover pointed out that Tumblety had a history of sending "anonymous letters" to federal officials that pointed toward the quack's involvement in a notorious crime.

If the Home Office, or whoever, will some day relinquish the dossier on Tumblety, I'd like to see if letters of this nature would be in the file.

[How Brown]

Joe:

With all due respect, since Conover makes the claim that Tumblety sent letters to Federal officers, how much salt should we be taking to go with the claim?

:kiss:

[Joe Chetcuti]

Howard,

Conover was very tricky. He knew what the truth was, and he knew how to manipulate it. For example, there was a foundation of truth to Conover's story about Tumblety's ordeal with the Canterbury Music Hall. But Conover tinkered with it and presented something rather bizarre. According to Conover, Tumblety ended up "impersonating himself" on a stage.

As for Conover's claim that Tumblety sent out anonymous letters to the American authorities in 1865 that had drawn suspicion, I can see that as having a basis of truth. But once again, Conover went on from there and made some peculiar accusations about Tumblety that modern day researchers have justifiably attacked.

As for Tumblety anonymously notifying the English authorities in 1888 that suspicion should be drawn to him, (as reported by the Bucks County Gazette) that is something in which researchers have suspected for a long time. You will hear that talk more often from those who think Tumblety was not the Ripper, but instead was just trying to project himself into the spotlight.

[How Brown]

You mean "Schlep On" Simon...Today is Me N' Nina's 1st Wedding Anniversary:kiss: I'm takin' it easy and trying to figure out some gimmicks for the Forums down the road today.

Lets encapsulate, shall we, whats been mentioned already.

1. Littlechild did not specify what was in the large dossier in the reading of the Littlechild Letter.

2. It may have/probably did contain some records of his minor criminal escapades ( as provided by A.P. ) and may have included some record of his homosexual behavior.

My feelings towards the content of the dossier is that it seems unlikely that something politically related was not in it. I defer to the position/statements of Wolf V and Tim R. on any known involvement of Tumblety and the Fenians. With all due respect, which I know they understand without me having to say it,but I will anyway.... that there's always the possibility that the dossier did contain some unknown references to links to Tumblety in some small way if even that to a political ideology such as the Fenians.

Back to the thread and you,Simon !