How Brown
05-11-2009, 08:39 PM
By no means the only 12 or so on any complete list...here are some of note:
1. Both had a mentor.
Tumblety had his Dr. Lispenard...and D'Onston his Lord Lytton. Tumblety's mentor was in the same sort of field that he would venture into...and D'Onston would not only plagiarize Lytton's work on at least one occasion, he bragged that he had once met him.
2. Both had some "medicine" in their background.
Tumblety obviously was an Indian Herb Doctor...while D'Onston claimed medical experience in Italy...having two degrees ( ironically,Melvin Harris claimed one "degree" was from New York)...and was considered a thaumaturgist in a 1906 book written in France.
3. Both claimed or affected bogus military statuses
Tumblety was featured wearing a Prussian military uniform ( courtesy the hard work of Tim Riordan in locating the only known photograph of Tumblety ) in the June 2008 issue of Ripperologist...and D'Onston stated that he was a Coast Guard lieutenant in the 1871 census.
4. Both had their "mythmakers".
Tumblety's mythmaker was Sanford Conover ( that Tumblety was once married among other things ) while D'Onston's was Vittoria Cremers ( particularly the reputed memoirs of her relationship with Sudden Death, taken with several pinches of salt). Cremers not once mentions a single incidence of black magic in the time they were affiliated and Conover was a well known prevaricator.
5. Both were nearly 6 feet tall...tall for suspicious men,suspect men or men who were actually arrested suspects in the WM.
Tumblety's height is referred to in several articles, since 6 footers weren't so common in the LVP...and D'Onston was approximately 5'11".
6. Both had police officials who were rather blase' about their candidacies as the Ripper.
Tumblety didn't make Inspector Byrnes of the NYPD lose any sleep and D'Onston managed to raise a yawn out of Inspector Thomas Roots of Scotland Yard.
7. Both had newspapers or newspaper men promote their suspectworthiness even if the police didn't.
Tumblety had both the New York Times & World mention his "arrest"...while the one time Pall Mall Gazette editor W.T.Stead, by then the editor of Borderland (1896) stated that for a year he had been under the impression RDS was the "veritable Ripper".
8. Both were well over 40 years old.
Tumblety was approximately 57 and D'Onston a decade younger at 47.
9. Both were authors of works of bombastic proportion.
Tumblety's autobiography and D'Onston's Borderland article are loaded with over the top,outrageous commentaries.
10. Both had some mystery attached to a wife.
Tumblety has never been proven to have been married or even a homosexual inclined to even "fake" marriage with a female...and of course, D'Onston was theorized to have killed his wife by two pro-Stephenson authors...but that is untrue.
11. Both have been theorized to have had "articles" or artifacts which were linked to the WM .
Tumblety had his "uteri jars", which other than Conover, no one ever mentioned before....and of course D'Onston had his "bloody ties" legend, which ostensibly passed down from Cremers to Aleister Crowley.
12. Both have a seminal theme within their character or purported lifestyle which has yet to be proven...and probably never will.
Tumblety is accused of misogyny...yet other than a reported denigratory comment about women, never acted out that misogynistic attitude in a physical way in his recorded history. As a lifelong businessman, he met more women than anyone on this website has in their life ( except me,of course...ouch!) and had a poem written in his honor by a woman...hardly a thing to do for a misogynist. D'Onston,on the other hand, has been claimed by virtually every Ripper author with no malice of forethought,yet without sources to bolster the claim, as a black magician.
1. Both had a mentor.
Tumblety had his Dr. Lispenard...and D'Onston his Lord Lytton. Tumblety's mentor was in the same sort of field that he would venture into...and D'Onston would not only plagiarize Lytton's work on at least one occasion, he bragged that he had once met him.
2. Both had some "medicine" in their background.
Tumblety obviously was an Indian Herb Doctor...while D'Onston claimed medical experience in Italy...having two degrees ( ironically,Melvin Harris claimed one "degree" was from New York)...and was considered a thaumaturgist in a 1906 book written in France.
3. Both claimed or affected bogus military statuses
Tumblety was featured wearing a Prussian military uniform ( courtesy the hard work of Tim Riordan in locating the only known photograph of Tumblety ) in the June 2008 issue of Ripperologist...and D'Onston stated that he was a Coast Guard lieutenant in the 1871 census.
4. Both had their "mythmakers".
Tumblety's mythmaker was Sanford Conover ( that Tumblety was once married among other things ) while D'Onston's was Vittoria Cremers ( particularly the reputed memoirs of her relationship with Sudden Death, taken with several pinches of salt). Cremers not once mentions a single incidence of black magic in the time they were affiliated and Conover was a well known prevaricator.
5. Both were nearly 6 feet tall...tall for suspicious men,suspect men or men who were actually arrested suspects in the WM.
Tumblety's height is referred to in several articles, since 6 footers weren't so common in the LVP...and D'Onston was approximately 5'11".
6. Both had police officials who were rather blase' about their candidacies as the Ripper.
Tumblety didn't make Inspector Byrnes of the NYPD lose any sleep and D'Onston managed to raise a yawn out of Inspector Thomas Roots of Scotland Yard.
7. Both had newspapers or newspaper men promote their suspectworthiness even if the police didn't.
Tumblety had both the New York Times & World mention his "arrest"...while the one time Pall Mall Gazette editor W.T.Stead, by then the editor of Borderland (1896) stated that for a year he had been under the impression RDS was the "veritable Ripper".
8. Both were well over 40 years old.
Tumblety was approximately 57 and D'Onston a decade younger at 47.
9. Both were authors of works of bombastic proportion.
Tumblety's autobiography and D'Onston's Borderland article are loaded with over the top,outrageous commentaries.
10. Both had some mystery attached to a wife.
Tumblety has never been proven to have been married or even a homosexual inclined to even "fake" marriage with a female...and of course, D'Onston was theorized to have killed his wife by two pro-Stephenson authors...but that is untrue.
11. Both have been theorized to have had "articles" or artifacts which were linked to the WM .
Tumblety had his "uteri jars", which other than Conover, no one ever mentioned before....and of course D'Onston had his "bloody ties" legend, which ostensibly passed down from Cremers to Aleister Crowley.
12. Both have a seminal theme within their character or purported lifestyle which has yet to be proven...and probably never will.
Tumblety is accused of misogyny...yet other than a reported denigratory comment about women, never acted out that misogynistic attitude in a physical way in his recorded history. As a lifelong businessman, he met more women than anyone on this website has in their life ( except me,of course...ouch!) and had a poem written in his honor by a woman...hardly a thing to do for a misogynist. D'Onston,on the other hand, has been claimed by virtually every Ripper author with no malice of forethought,yet without sources to bolster the claim, as a black magician.