Is This the Ripper's Signature?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

5245

Regards,

Simon

[How Brown]

Simon:

Hope you had a memorable Memorial Day.

A lot has been made about Tumblety's handwriting. The lady who wrote the book regarding his handwriting used to be a member of the boards before Dream Guy made a big deal out of her profiling of FT's handwriting....and she walked.

Where is that from, you California Man?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Howard,

Thank you. I had a very tearful Memorial Day. You Yanks sure know how to pour it on when it comes to patriotism and sentiment. You've learned a lot from us Brits.

I believe that the signature might be genuine, mainly because of the document upon which it appears, but I wondered if anyone had seen any other version for purposes of comparison. Tumblety is such a slippery bugger that it's hard to be certain about anything.

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

Stewart and Keith displayed Tumblety's handwriting in their "Letters From Hell" book. The sample that they used came from the Manx Musuem on the Isle of Man.

I have an additional sample of Tumblety's handwriting that was dated in late December 1899. I could privately e-mail that to you sometime this week, Simon.

[Chris G.]

Stewart and Keith displayed Tumblety's handwriting in their "Letters From Hell" book. The sample that they used came from the Manx Musuem on the Isle of Man.

I have an additional sample of Tumblety's handwriting that was dated in late December 1899. I could privately e-mail that to you sometime this week, Simon.

The signature is not inconsistent with the aged signature exhibited on Tumblety's 1903 St. Louis will. Still, all these examples don't seem to match up at all either to Dear Boss or the Lusk letter, so that for me, along with Cream's quite distinctive writing as well, lets them both out as candidates for having manufactured those correspondences.

Chris

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

Yes, I've seen the Tumblety handwriting example in Letters from Hell, but not being a handwriting expert I can't make a judgement.

You've got my email address, so I look forward to receiving your sample of Tumblety's handwriting.

Regards,

Simon

[Chris G.]

You Yanks sure know how to pour it on when it comes to patriotism and sentiment. You've learned a lot from us Brits.

I thought you were a Yank, Simon. No? :)

Chris

[Simon Wood]

Hi Chris,

American? How dare you!

My second will contact yours, and as I am the injured party I get to choose the weapons and location.

Spoons, plus as much rice pudding as your pockets can hold, at twenty yards in a mist-covered graveyard at dawn.

Keep it quiet, but Susan and I are part of the advance guard to take back the colonies for England.

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

Simon,

The letter that I will send you was written by Tumblety on Dec 27, 1899 in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Tumblety mailed it to Viscount Galway. Robert Linford sent me a copy of that letter a few years ago.

I sent that sample of Tumblety's writing to a handwriting expert in Las Vegas. After viewing it, she told me that Tumblety was left-handed.

Next, I had her look at the Dear Boss letter, and she said that its writer was obviously right-handed.

I then gave her the Lusk Letter, and she said that its writer "was a left hander who pretended to be a right hander."

I agree with Chris that Tumblety did not write the Dear Boss letter. But the news out of Las Vegas is that you shouldn't make that same assumption with the Lusk Letter.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

The Lusk letter [and kidney] was a money-spinner cobbled together by Lusk's pals on the Vigilance Committee, who flogged it as a fund-raising exercise to the Evening News before doing their 'civic duty' by taking it to Scotland Yard and then on to Abberline at Leman Street.

Case closed on that one, my friend.

Regards,

Simon

[Nemo]

Nice find Simon - thanks for posting it -

It looks like Tumbley to me though - he probably had so many aliases he forgot what he was supposed to be writing

[Simon Wood]

Hi Nemo,

Looks like Tumbley to me, too.

Regards,

Simon

[Chris G.]

Keep it quiet, but Susan and I are part of the advance guard to take back the colonies for England.


Good on you, mate. Farmer George would be proud.

Chris http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3372/3568703976_a2dda733a6_o.gif

[Simon Wood]

Hi Chris,

Your origins shine through.

Just wait until we re-invade the fly-over states. We'll soon have 'em speaking BBC English, just like what it is meant to be spoked.

Ooh aargh!

Regards,

Simon

[How Brown]

Simon,Nemo,C.G..

That Nemo mentions the signature resembling "Tumbley" and not Tumblety or Tumbelty or Twombelty....reminds me of a story from 35 years ago or so.

I knew a guy who had misspelled his own name on a bank deposit slip and tore it up in mild disgust for spelling it wrong...which naturally leads to this totally unrelated comment:


All this hoopla we've heard or seen about the signature of people seems to fall into two categories.

One, that one group more or less insists that no deviation should appear in the way someone writes their signature in 1953 as opposed to how it may appear in 1995. Thats nuts.

In addition, the belief that people won't use their middle name or initial in certain situations is also nuts. I use my whole name for some applications... the title,H.Brown, for some others, my name with and name without my middle initial in others.

Its nuts.

The other group, the sane people, know that signatures can appear differently for a variety of reasons and the addition or subtraction of additional middle names or initials isn't unique whatsoever.

Nothing to really add here...just a little rantin' about before I ask Simon............ where it is written in stone that the Lusk Letter is not only bogus but where is the evidence that the MEVC had anything whatsoever to do with that package?

What did they profit by this gimmick?

[Joe Chetcuti]

I loved the comment on Post 10:

Case closed on that one, my friend.

I've already printed it out. And I've got the perfect home for those words from Simon. I have a folder in my basement entitled "Case Closed." I've had it for years.

My "Case Closed" file contains a few notes that I took a long time ago when I was reading Patricia Cornwell's Case Closed book.

After all these years I can now place another item in that folder!! Thank you, Simon. What a special folder it has become.

It's good to look back upon the words of the Canadian graphologist, C. M. Macleod. After studying the Lusk Letter, Macleod said that its writer...

Shows tremendous drive in the vicious forward thrust of his overall writing, and great cunning in his cover-up of strokes...I would say that this writer was capable of conceiving any atrocity, and of carrying it out in an organized way.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

With all due respect, may I recommend that you never confuse C. M. Macleod or Patricia Cornwell with common sense.

Keep me safe and warm in your basement.

Regards,

Simon

[Joe Chetcuti]

After opening up my Case Closed folder, I see that I only took down one note from Cornwell's book. It was the only thing I wanted to preserve. It was a quote from the FBI's Ed Sulzbach:

There really aren't many coincidences in life. And to call coincidence after coincidence a coincidence is just plain stupid.

No Simon, Macleod will not join you and Patricia in my folder. But I will e-mail you Tumblety's 1899 handwriting this week.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Joe,

Ed Sulzbach sounds like my kinda guy.

I look forward to your email. Many thanks in advance.

Regards,

Simon