Crime Scene Location

[JTRSickert]

Hey everyone,

I wanted to get some of your opinions about something...

As we all know, Eddowes was murdered in Mitre Square, which is technically in the City of London district, as opposed to the Whitechapel/Spitalfields section of the other murders. So, I'd like to know if:

1. Does anyone think the killer had any knowledge about this section of the city or do we all assume he mostly was confined to the Whitechapel district?

2. Has anyone ever looked into to see if there were ever any attacks on women in the City District? In Whitechapel, before the murders happened, we know of the attacks like on Ada Wilson and Emma Smith, but has anyone ever bothered to see if any women were mysteriously attacked in the City district?

3. Although we'll never be able to know for sure, anyone think the killer would've been familar with any famous landmarks such as the Tower of London or St. Paul's Cathedral, which are both not very far (The tower to the south, the cathedral to the slight west)?

[Howard Brown]

JT:

I'd think that the killer knew enough about the City turf....if not necessarily encountering it every day, then at least on numerous occasions.

I don't recall any attacks being mentioned as emanating in the area. Maybe SPE or someone else does.

I also think it is pretty reasonable to believe that the killer ( or killers,pal...you never know:nono:) knew of the landmarks you mentioned.

Let me ask why you ask those specific questions....if thats cool with you...

...and speaking of uncool, I hope the rain we just got cooled things off. Damn but it was humid today.:banghead:

[JTRSickert]

Hey Howie,

The reason I asked is because, even though the murders occured in only one specific section of the city, I always wondered if the killer lived or worked somewhere outside that location, but not too far away; hence, the City district. When I was in London in 2007, I saw a lot of the city and I was surpsised to learn that the Ripper crimes were not very far from famous London landmarks and I asked myself, I wonder if JTR ever visited those places in between the times he was killing. Sadly, I did not get the opportunity to do a "Ripper Walk" while I was there, but I was in the East End in Middlesex Street (right next to Goulston Street :) )on my last day there.

You think there was more than one killer. howard? I personally doubt it since serial killers (with few exceptions) tend yo work alone.

[Howard Brown]

Thats a goal I have JT...to visit London..as soon as they lower their standards to the point that even I can enter, if only on a temporary visa. Its sounds nice pal.

Take a few minutes sometime....and go check on the startling facts about multiple serial killers all over the world. I was surprised at how many there are.

And yes...the possibility exists...even if remote...that two people may have been at work here.

Ask Stan Russo.:kiss:

[JTRSickert]

Yeah but he believes the killers were J. K. "Jem" Stephens and our old buddy, Wally. And I tend to doubt both, as individuals and as a team.

[Monty]

I think it important to bear in mind that he didnt strike in the heart of the city but on its borders with the East-end.

Monty
:)

[JTRSickert]

Here's a thought. Maybe he was a West Ender, but hunted in the East End because it was much easier to find victims there and the general public were less concerned about the well-being of the East Enders than the other ones.

[Howard Brown]

JT:

If a West Ender as you say, then how do you think he traipsed the streets of the East End? Not a trick question pal...

By the way, there was, from some of the Forums members ( I think Colin Roberts or Sam Flynn...or someone else interested in cartography & demographics) research efforts, just as many if not more poor in other sections of the city and more prosses in other sections. I think the Spitalfields area was considered the bottom of the rung in terms of abject poverty....but other areas,as I mentioned, were high in number in both prosses and poor.

Monty is also referring quite rightly to the perimeter of the City of London boundary...and that his comment extends to the fact that Mitre Square was known for pross/client liasing. Its not like JTR committed the Eddowes murder smack dab in the center of that sector.

[Ultra Violet]

JT: What about the piece of apron? If JtR took it along and threw it away in Goulston street, he was heading back East.
Do you have another theory on how the apron got there?

[Mags]

If we talk about what's most likely (and really what else can we talk about?) then it's most likely that the killer operated in the area where he WAS.

Sometimes I think we tend to try to make things too complicated. In the case of JTR I don't think we're dealing with some sophisticated, Moriarty like criminal mastermind, we're dealing with some poor shlub who wanted to know what the insides of womens guts were like.

[Howard Brown]

Dear Mags:

Isn't it amazing,sweets, that of all the millions of words ever written about the Ripper, all the millions of thoughts, thousands of theories, thousands of heated arguments....that it all might just boil down to your sentence: Some schlimazzel who wanted to see how things work inside a woman.

I would say thats probably why he generally avoided looking into those women's heads...but I don't want anyone angry at me...especially not you.:kiss:

[Jon Simons]

Hello

I`d agree with that. Personally, I`d narrow it down to an initial interest in the uterus.

[Mags]

Howie, my dearest one, you are both astute and brilliant. How could I ever be angry with you, at least for any longer than it takes a very sharp knife to slice through a major artery?

My love to the Missus. :kiss: right back at ya.