Convention Updates

[How Brown]

Thread serving a two fold purpose...

First ! To provide those Conventioneers sober enough with a place to share their random thoughts and observations....a sort of running commentary.

Secondly ! In order that our very own and special Babe In The Woods...Big Jon... is kept on the straight and narrow...please update this thread so we know what the hell he's up to.

Thank you.

[Robert Linford]

By now he's probably up to his fifth tin of beans.:boom:

[Mike Covell]

I saw on facebook that he had nodded off on the train, and had woke up near Reading!:fear:

[Big Jon]

Hello all,

Yes, I did indeed fall asleep on the train and woke up by Reading. No I haven't eaten any beans, but tomorrow morning that will probably change!

I popped into the Sherlock Holmes museum for a bit, took some nice photos and met Watson.

Then I got a bit lost looking for a shop. I have now finally managed to reach my hotel and am having a cup of tea before heading out to find the others (presuming they haven't done an Eddowes and been arrested of course!)

[Archaic]

Somebody had the foresight to write Jon's name and destination on a scrap of paper and pin it to his shirt
with a "Please Return" request, didn't they?

Didn't they?????

:confused:

[How Brown]

So far..he's nodded out on a train...plans on eating beans and then has the affrontery to jump right into a convention full of unsuspecting, decent people with that awful cargo in tow.

THIS is why we put out the all points bulletin on Jon....THIS is why I was so worried about him running amok in the Big Smoke !

Hopefully others will pipe in with their updates on him for me.:frusty:

[Robert Linford]

This is a taste of what they're in for at the conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJeB9SaXrI

[How Brown]

At least the man in the video had the civility to address the issue beforehand.

I only pray to the Great Anthroproflatuent Being in the sky.. that Jon will extend similar courtesies to those at this momentous occasion...after all he is representin'.

Bob Anderson.... we have no worries about. Its almost Midnight over there....he's three sheets to the wind if I know him at all.

[Monty]

The last I saw of young Jon was around 10.30 when he was being led down Artillary passage by Eduardo Zinna and Co. Somethinf about a curry.

Big shock of the conference.....Paul Begg is clean shaven. He has a chin folks!

Monty
:)

[Big Jon]

Morning all.

Eduardo, Andy, Lisa, myself and our very own Robert Anderson popped down Brick Lane for a curry.

Wound up East End wandering for around an hour after finishing because we couldn't remember where the hotel was!

Eventually got in at about 1.30am.

[How Brown]

Well...the hairy apparent made it through the first night.:thumb:

Give Andy a hug and tell him its from me,if you would be so kind.

On the other hand....I see it didn't take you too long to find Liza H out of a city with what...10,000,000 people ?

P.S. How smashed was Sir Bob? Plus keep an eye on Caz..its what I paid you for in the first place.

[Big Jon]

I've just picked up your conference pack Mr Brown, so you can stop panicing.

Stuart Orme just gave a very interesting talk on Claypipe Alice and we had a quick 2 minute interview for the show.

Mike: I've also got a signed Jtr forums flyer for you!

[How Brown]

Good man. Keep us informed Jon...

[Currerbell]

Shame us lot 'at home' cant have our own online convention...:typing:

[How Brown]

Bell...well, we're getting live on the spot feeds ( how much money Jon is blowing on curry and how much time he's spending flirtin' with women in the saloons...) from a kupla sources...one, the perpetually inebriated Bob Anderson...who sent me 5 scans.

...or so he thinks.:p

He messed up and mistakingly sent me some photos off his "Blackberry"...one of which features Chris George, editor at the Rip....snoozing during an unexpected impromptu seminar on a victim Jon Rees thinks merits consideration into the canonical mix...a one "Crack Pipe Kenyatta". The presentation was held (at gunpoint) at the Is It Inn on Commercial Road last night.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/chris_george-Copy.jpg

[Mike Covell]

Mike: I've also got a signed Jtr forums flyer for you!

Cheers mate, don't forget the clocks go back tonight Jon, that means an extra hour of booze and partying!:decision:

[How Brown]

Cheers my arse,Covell-Lipski ! That means an extra hour for this..this...this manchild in the promised land to be in the clutches of painted women, intoxicants, street life and other wanton manifestations of the capitol city....

Dammit, why didn't we go,Mike:ballchain: !@!*

[Robert Linford]

So Jon's having curry as well as beans? Chicago won't be the only windy city.

[How Brown]

...and speaking of wind, I wish I could blow in to the Convention hall like a leaf just to hear Mr. M.J. Trow's presentation...and whether anyone mentioned the recent documentary "Killer Revealed" and the person prominently mentioned in that effort, Robert Mann.

Take it away, M.J...........


http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/trow.jpg

[How Brown]

Where the hell is Monty at ?

Come in, Neil Bell...Evisceration Nation awaits your input....:cell:

[Big Jon]

Conference is over for the day, we've been sent back to our hotels to freshen up (cos we all smell apparantly!)

Mj trows talk was good, he addressed Robert Mann and said he only wants to invigorate debate and realises its shortcomings.

Gareth raised the point that because of this he has learnt new things so the whole exercise was by no means wasted.

And most importantly, Paul Begg provided some information that means it is possible for Mann to have left the workhouse! So today has certainly been eventful.

I also interviews Trow and Colin Cobb (MC) but tech difficulties prevented me speaking to Chris George yet. Ill interview him tomorrow along with the other speakers and Adam.

[Monty]

Sorry How, been kinda busy. Where do you want me?

Phillips talk was excellent by the was...fascinating.

May fire up the lamp later.

Monty
:)

[Colin Roberts]

And most importantly, Paul Begg provided some information that means it is possible for Mann to have left the workhouse!
"most importantly" ?????

Judging from his assertion that "the expanding Borough of Stepney absorbed Mile End Old Town in 1901, so, when Swanson wrote nine years later, Mile End Old Town Workhouse was Stepney Workhouse" ("Jack the Ripper: The Facts", by Paul Begg, pg. 378); I would contend that Paul Begg knows very little about the English Poor Law and its accordant guidelines for Workhouse administration.

Until this "information" is revealed to those of us not in attendance, at today's presentation, I will assume that it is bogus!

[Big Jon]

Now what an attitude to take, Colin.

The information is that Paul has press reports which show Mann had permission to leave the workhouse on certain occasions, to collect bodies etc.

So while still unlikely it removes the element of immposibility.

[How Brown]

Good to see you having a wide range of social intercourse, Jon....just as long as its social. Thanks for the update to Mr. Trow's speech and thanks to "No Show" Flynn ( Where the hell is he at ? He could be helping out here too...) for asking Mr. Trow something.

Monty...All you've gotta do is fill us in with the mere 15-20 minutes between beer drinking and berserking...the Convention stuff,I mean.:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Where's Sir Bob ?

[Archaic]

Thanks for the update to Mr. Trow's speech and thanks to "No Show" Flynn ( Where the hell is he at ?

Hopefully Sam didn't end up as an Aztec Ritual Sacrifice at the British Museum...

[Colin Roberts]

… Mann had permission to leave the workhouse on certain occasions, to collect bodies etc.That basically goes without saying!

Mann apparently continued to reside in the Whitechapel Union's Charles Street / Baker Street facility for some twenty four years, following its conversion from Union Workhouse to Union Infirmary, in 1872. The fact that he was seemingly never relocated to the newer Whitechapel Union Workhouse, South Grove, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town, is indicative of his having been given certain infirmary-based responsibilities (e.g. mortuary attendant), by the Guardians of the Whitechapel Poor Law Union.

Having been, perhaps, a trustworthy and loyal servant; Robert Mann may have been granted a certain degree of passage, with which he was able to occasionally 'come-and-go' …

Having been a mortuary attendant in the autumn of 1888, he had obviously been granted certain responsibilities. Perhaps he had also been granted a certain degree of passage, with which he was able to occasionally 'come-and-go'. But he most certainly would have been held accountable for his 'comings-and-goings'; and it is absolutely unthinkable that he would have been granted any sort of passage between the hours of midnight and 6:00AM.--- It should be noted that I made the above comment nearly three weeks ago. ---

While fulfilling his responsibilities as mortuary attendant, or enjoying some sort of 'liberty' from the confines of the Whitechapel Union Infirmary (which he may or may not have been granted); Robert Mann would invariably have been held strictly accountable for his whereabouts, at all times, by the Guardians of the Whitechapel Poor Law Union.

So while still unlikely it removes the element of immposibility.I emphatically disagree! I wholeheartedly believe that the "element of impossibility" is at this point, unscathed!

And most importantly, Paul Begg provided some information that means it is possible for Mann to have left the workhouse! ...

Until this "information" is revealed to those of us not in attendance, at today's presentation, I will assume that it is bogus!
If we are dealing with actual press reports, then I am sure that the "information", itself, is not "bogus". But the notion that such "information" suggests that "it is possible for Mann to have left the workhouse", is completely bogus!

Do we wish to uncover the facts? Or are we willing to swallow just about anything that is thrown in our direction, by supposed 'authorities'?

... he addressed Robert Mann and said he only wants to invigorate debate ...… by stirring up a crock of fecal matter!

[How Brown]

Any other speeches or discussions worth mentioning over yonder, Monty ? Jon ?

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi all

Now home. 10.45. Down loading card one. 16 Gigs is taking about 15 minutes a card. Dropped the Begg home talking gobbledy gook. Left the conference doing kareoke...thank god Lindsey and Colin were in tune.

Forecast for tomorrow good. Looking forward to 'TOUR' worried about my back doing 2 hours.

Lectures excellent.

Jeff

[How Brown]

Jeff:

Thanks very much for the input. I figured we'd get better updates from non-moderators than the pair of potatoheads that are drinking everything in sight who were supposed to be around on Saturday night.

Photos would be nice. I can pervert them to Photobucket attachments and put 'em up if anyone at the Convention wants me to.

[Big Jon]

I'm here! Just walked about london for half hour and couldn't find a single open take away!

I treated (read tortured) the other delegates to my rendition of Mustang Sally! Also will have lots of nice photos to put up on monday.

[Jeff Leahy]

I'm still down loading. Now on card 5. THen I must get some sleep.

I thought Phil Hutchinson's talk was especially good. But then Berner Street is my favourite subject. My vote was for Berner st on the walk tomorrow but for some reason it was NOT on the wish list.

I will try and get you guys some stills later in the week. But no promises.

Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

I'm here! Just walked about london for half hour and couldn't find a single open take away!

I treated (read tortured) the other delegates to my rendition of Mustang Sally! Also will have lots of nice photos to put up on monday.

Could you figure out what Chis George was singing?:violin:

[How Brown]

Jesus H...Jon ! Walking around at near midnight ain't a good idea brudda...unless you took an Arkansas toothpick with you.

Where's that soak, Sir Bob ? Wasn't he with you ?

[George Hutchinson]

I'm still down loading. Now on card 5. THen I must get some sleep.

I thought Phil Hutchinson's talk was especially good. But then Berner Street is my favourite subject. My vote was for Berner st on the walk tomorrow but for some reason it was NOT on the wish list.

I will try and get you guys some stills later in the week. But no promises.

Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. So you were the one who only wrote the words BERNER STREET at the bottom of the sheet in yellow felt tip? Missing the heading HENRIQUES STREET / BERNER STREET (STRIDE) third from the very top of the options?

Don't worry if so - someone ticked 23 of the options though I specified a maximum of 10 and also asked if we could walk into the London Hospital as part of the tour and go through their archives!

PHILIP

[Big Jon]

At this point Mr Anderson was probably still quenching his thirst.

I now have one important question: where is my pizza?

[How Brown]

Well it ain't out on the streets at midnight,thats for damned sure Jon !

Don't they have shops that deliver food ? Even Texas has 'em.

[Big Jon]

They do, but the delivery guy was uselss! He didn't know commercial street, petticoat lane, or even middlesex street at first. I had to walk to the main road to meet him!

My navigating skills have been a running joke this weekend, but he was worse than me!

[How Brown]

The only question I have is whether it was thin crust or Chicago style...and whether you didn't over tip this putz.

Glad you ate. I had a nice meal tonight ( Worrying about your well being and all...) of sardines and tap water. Thanks.:pizza:

[Chris G.]

Looking forward to Philip Hutchinson's Ripper tour this morning. Never having done a Ripper tour before I was startled yesterday morning to realize that where I am parked in the White's Row parking garage is right next to Mary Jane Kelly's murder site in Miller's Court. I knew it as soon as I walked up White's Row and saw the Providence Row Night Hostel in Crispin Street, which stood at the end of Dorset Street. That's only a few hundred yard's from King's Stores in Widegate Street along an ancient passage.

Master of Ceremonies Colin Cobb did a great job yesterday as M/C and Elvis impersonator in the evening! Donna and I enjoyed the buffet supper and drinks. Lindsay Sivitar did an excellent version of "All that Jazz" and yours truly got up and sung "It's My Life" in the karaoke part of the evening.

The opening talk by Alice McKenzie by Stuart Orme was excellent and my talk on police activities between MJK and McKenzie (ie first 6 months of 1889, essentially) went well. M J Trow's talk on the torso crimes was excellent too. . . he did not argue strongly for Robert Mann as a suspect and was humble in saying that he was only putting forward Mann as another possibility. Philip Hutchinson's talk on his newly discovered Dutfield Yard photograph was a detailed and fascinating detective story as he documented how he has verified that the photograph is definitely of the yard and how he is narrowing down on identifying the lady photographer responsible for the view.... evidently a wealthy American woman able to afford a Cook's Tour of Europe in 1900.

Looking forward to seeing some photographs on here as many have been taken. Tomorrow morning I am looking forward to driving out to Isleham, Cambridgeshire, and meeting the eminent Mr Stewart Evans and his wife Rosie. Stewart and I were supposed to meet in 2001 at the time of the Bournemouth convention but unfortunately the death of his brother occurred about the same time and prevented the meeting. My other regret was that I never got to meet the late Adrian Phypers who I had also been scheduled to meet for the Ripper tour I will be getting today!

All the best

Chris

[Chris G.]

Bell...well, we're getting live on the spot feeds ( how much money Jon is blowing on curry and how much time he's spending flirtin' with women in the saloons...) from a kupla sources...one, the perpetually inebriated Bob Anderson...who sent me 5 scans.

...or so he thinks.:p

He messed up and mistakingly sent me some photos off his "Blackberry"...one of which features Chris George, editor at the Rip....snoozing during an unexpected impromptu seminar on a victim Jon Rees thinks merits consideration into the canonical mix...a one "Crack Pipe Kenyatta". The presentation was held (at gunpoint) at the Is It Inn on Commercial Road last night.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/chris_george-Copy.jpg

Definitely somnulent! How did Bob sneak into our hotel room at the Ibis and snap that photo????? Yes and as I said above it was "It's My Life" that I was singing. I was also going to do "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" but Donna and I were feeling tired and caught a cab back to the Ibis. Possibly I will sing the song tonight. Get ready. . . in my best Eric Burdon. . .

Chris

[Big Jon]

Actually, I didn't take that.

It was that Anderson chap!

And I will get that interview with you today even if it kills me!

[Chris G.]

Actually, I didn't take that.

It was that Anderson chap!

And I will get that interview with you today even if it kills me!

Aye, matey, you'll see that on rereading Howie's post I corrected my post when realized that Sir Bob took the somnulent snap not your good self. Hope to get together with you for the interview later today. Looking forward to it.

Chris

[Big Jon]

Though if you treat us to some more dancing tonight, I shall be emailing that to How!

[Chris G.]

I'm still down loading. Now on card 5. THen I must get some sleep.

I thought Phil Hutchinson's talk was especially good. But then Berner Street is my favourite subject. My vote was for Berner st on the walk tomorrow but for some reason it was NOT on the wish list.

I will try and get you guys some stills later in the week. But no promises.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

Then it must have been you who wrote on the questionaire "Berner Street!!!!" Actually it WAS on the list, although under its present day name Henriques Street. :thumb: I am sure Philip will take us there, most especialy since the location corresponds to his most excellent photograph purchase. Still can't believe he bought it for, as I believe he said, $4.95!!!!

Chris

Chris

[Chris G.]

Though if you treat us to some more dancing tonight, I shall be emailing that to How!

Then you better get ready. . . . :)

C

[How Brown]

So far for Sunday...we have some dancin',singin', and eating lined up....plus a tour conducted by Phil.

Anything else ? Whats on the Ripper agenda...and by the way, how are those hangovers ?

[Currerbell]

Must have been a good day what with no replies...or the Ripper has struck on his own people!:jaw:

[Archaic]

Must have been a good day what with no replies...or the Ripper has struck on his own people!:jaw:

Horrors, Bell!!

Maybe they are just all in the drunk tank?

I'm glad they're having fun... but where are all the embarrassingly candid cell-phone photos they should be sending us by now?

[Robert Linford]

Thanks to a spy camera I've had installed at the hotel, we can see the conventioners re-enacting the scenes inside the Berner St club. Listen carefully and you'll hear Jon's beans too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Car5tKzhFv0&feature=related

[Archaic]

Thanks to a spy camera I've had installed at the hotel, we can see the conventioners re-enacting the scenes inside the Berner St club.

Listen carefully and you'll hear Jon's beans too.


- Oh dear, I thought that was his Fire Engine Performance!

[How Brown]

Hopefully Jon will avoid this natural echo chamber at all costs....

Sir Bob, our semi-inebriated correspondent & intrepid traveler...has shared the following photos with us.

First up....Bob designates this photo as "Mylett"

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/mylett.jpg

[How Brown]

This one is labeled..."Mortuary( or where you're going if I don't see a payhike by Halloween.).."

I think he means it too..........

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/mortuary.jpg

[ferret]

I'm alive..........allegedly! and I had to be home by Sunday afternoon- which seems to be just an extension of verrrrrrrry early Sunday morning:crutch: Knees have GONE....A brilliant two days though- bearing in mind yours truly and the cat (and YES he has had a bath!!!!) started on Friday afternoon so I don't feel too much of a 'lightweight':sad:
Well done Adam and Andy!!!!!...will post more when I've downloaded some pics (Worryingly few of them!) or am capable of a coherent conversation whichever happens first!!! (Not much hope of the second one!)
CONGRATS to the lovely Rob Clack for a WELL deserved award xxxxxxxx

Suz (I think..........) xxxxx

Nothing like a good PRIVET party 'eh chaps!!!!!!!!

[ferret]

Loads of pics over on casebook chaps!!!:rofl:

[Sam Flynn]

Hopefully Sam didn't end up as an Aztec Ritual Sacrifice at the British Museum...After seeing this as I left the hotel each morning, I kind of wish I had been...

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In my mind, "Nina Fancy Goods" = "How Brown" :)

[How Brown]

Nice photo Sammy ! Thanks for sharing ! :thumb:

[Big Jon]

My photos:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=164624&id=513903344&l=ce24f11ca9

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=164639&id=513903344&l=c739f6e7b6

[How Brown]

What a coincidence....

Yesterday, I went to Barnes & Noble and purchased the Jack The Ripper: The Casebook by Richard Jones....and here we have Moderator Extraordinaire Jon Rees hobnobbin' with the author.

Great book, by the way.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/doubleeventJonNJones.jpg

[SPE]

The last I saw of young Jon was around 10.30 when he was being led down Artillary passage by Eduardo Zinna and Co. Somethinf about a curry.
Big shock of the conference.....Paul Begg is clean shaven. He has a chin folks!
Monty
:)

For those who were wondering what happened to Paul's beard, here's a recent shot of me! Sorry Rosie and I couldn't make it to the conference it looks as if a great time was had by all.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/amhsperae.jpg





(Photo by Sharron Evans)

[Sam Flynn]

For those who were wondering what happened to Paul's beard, here's a recent shot of me!
I'm sure Paul is grateful that his beard is in such safe hands, SPE :)

[Sam Flynn]

First up....Bob designates this photo as "Mylett"
Coles, actually - but they all look the same to me too :) Here's the gang inside Swallow Gardens, which were fortunately open and accessible on the day:

http://www.btinternet.com/~gareth.h.williams/ripperconf09/swallow-gardens.jpg

...how lucky was that?

[Jimmy]

For those who were wondering what happened to Paul's beard, here's a recent shot of me!

Oh, I thought I was borrowing Paul's beard for the weekend because Richard Jones was using my usual sideburns.:happy:

[Currerbell]

Hi all, does anyone know if there will be an article on the conference in a future ed of Rip mag?

[Monty]

For those who were wondering what happened to Paul's beard, here's a recent shot of me! Sorry Rosie and I couldn't make it to the conference it looks as if a great time was had by all.

Thats a lovely photo Stewart.

Shame you both couldnt make it. Colin Cobb was on good form again, you would have enjoyed it.


Yesterday morning Rob and I saw Paul on the corner of Wenworth Street and Commercial Street. Rob
saw a photo opportunity I can tell you.

Anyway we picked him up and we all had breakfast together.

That was a highlight of the weekend.

Monty
:)

[Jackie Murphy]

Hi all,

it was a really great conference, and I'm glad I went. I will be doing a review for the Whitechapel Journal (allegedly). Jon your photos on facebook are great (and only 3 of me!). Norma you did win a raffle prize so pm me and I'll send it on.

Monty I missed the firing of the lamp!

As for Jon and his beans? The hotel was evacuated at 7.30 this morning, is that a coincindence?

Thank you for everyone who contributed to the weekend. I don't care where the next one is, but does it have to be in 2 years? Why not every year?

Jackie xx

[Currerbell]

Hi Jackie, Im sure some would like one every weekend!

[Big Jon]

As for Jon and his beans? The hotel was evacuated at 7.30 this morning, is that a coincindence?


I am saying this once, and once only.

I ate no beans this weekend!

[Sam Flynn]

I am saying this once, and once only.

I ate no beans this weekend!
... but how many curries, Big Jon? How many curries...?

I had one of those "death by chili" curries last night. When I woke up this morning, I had to get the bedclothes back down from the top of the wardrobe, where they'd somehow found their way - unaided - during the night.

[Currerbell]

Sam - do explain the mystery of the missing bedclothes!:D

[Big Jon]

... but how many curries, Big Jon? How many curries...?



Two - both mild!

[How Brown]

Thank you to the City of London for returning The Manchild ,Jon Rees, back in one piece. I was over here in curlers pacing the floor with a rolling pin worrying about him being seducted ( abducted and seduced..its a new word I invented ) by the allures of big city street life and the nefarious influence of Sir Bob.

Very nice photograph,Mr. E.....Thank you for sharing.

[Big Jon]

Has anyone else come down with some kind of cold/flu?

[How Brown]

Jon:

Almost everytime I can remember traveling,I came home with some sort of sniffle or touch of something.

....like the time when I came back from some bordello in The Bronx with Stan Russo and Sir Bob back in 06...

Its to be expected.

[Big Jon]

Indeed, the annoying this is though, I've only just got over the "freshers flu" that goes around everyone during the first month of uni.

It's normally when I spend significant time with people from other parts of the country/world I get it.

[Currerbell]

LOL Freshers flu - been there done that Jon x

[Chris G.]

For those who were wondering what happened to Paul's beard, here's a recent shot of me! Sorry Rosie and I couldn't make it to the conference it looks as if a great time was had by all.

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac287/HowieNina/amhsperae.jpg





(Photo by Sharron Evans)

Excellent picture of you and Rosie, Stewart. I enjoyed my visit with you both today. It was everything I expected it to be. . . and much more. Will email shortly.

Chris

[Big Jon]

Okay I've edited/noise removed the audio clips as best as I can. Now am putting them into movie maker along with video clips. Am about 3 minutes in (2nd interview of 5, plus some commentary by me).

I'm exhausted already!

If anyone has any good conference/East End images they wouldn't mind me pinching for the vid, email or PM me.

[ferret]

Has anyone else come down with some kind of cold/flu?

That's not cold/flu Jon!!!........seriously though it could be- I always get it apres London! I blame the tube and that smell that takes for EVER to get out of your hair/clothes. As to curry- I had one Friday afternoon- one at the Saturday hot buffet and guess what hubby had organised for Sunday dinner!! Aaaaaaaaaagh!!!!:eek::sad::boom:

Suzi x

Great pic Stewart!

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi all

I noticed Jon doing interviews with the speakers. Is there any plan to make these available?

Jeff

PS I'm watching Richard Jones as I post only two more tapes to down load!

[Big Jon]

Jeff:

They were for our youtube talkshow. They'll be online in the next few days after I finish dabbling with movie maker!

[Jeff Leahy]

Jeff:

They were for our youtube talkshow. They'll be online in the next few days after I finish dabbling with movie maker!

Good luck John, I'm currently doing the scene with Rob Clacks bottom!

Movie dynamite :pound:

Jeff

[Rob Clack]

Good luck John, I'm currently doing the scene with Rob Clacks bottom!

Movie dynamite :pound:

Jeff

That will be the DVDs selling point :) I expect a copy on blu-ray now :)

[George Hutchinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWlFbIR9hI

AT. YOUR. PERIL.

You have been warned.

PHILIP

[Robert Linford]

Is Chris wearing spangled trousers there, or is it the film quality?

[Archaic]

WOW.

But you'll be relieved to know that I've diagnosed their illness, Philip.

It's called Choreomania and was a common affliction in the Middle Ages.

Also known as Dancing Mania, it was frequently caused by LSD-like substances such as Ergot
growing in spoiled bread, grains etc.

Hopefully nobody at the convention consumed anything involving fermented grain...

if they didn't, they should recover.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

[ferret]

Quality!!!!:tinfoil3:

[ferret]

OK not the Conf- but found this pic in last Saturdays Telegraph of two little mites in/on the mud/sand (!) near Tower Bridge 1955!
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Awwwwwwwww:kiss:

[Chris G.]

OK not the Conf- but found this pic in last Saturdays Telegraph of two little mites in/on the mud/sand (!) near Tower Bridge 1955!
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Awwwwwwwww:kiss:

Very nice, Suzi. Donna and I passed over Tower Bridge for the first time on Tuesday morning as we drove down to visit friends in the Portsmouth area, where we are now as I write. Great to see you at the conference, Suzi.

Chris

[Paul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWlFbIR9hI

AT. YOUR. PERIL.

You have been warned.

PHILIP

That was very funny. Until right at the end.

[ferret]

Very nice, Suzi. Donna and I passed over Tower Bridge for the first time on Tuesday morning as we drove down to visit friends in the Portsmouth area, where we are now as I write. Great to see you at the conference, Suzi.

Chris
Great to meet you and Donna too Chris!!! Pompey 'eh!!!...jut woken up to a very murky Wickham here...still ploughing through the seemingly endless pile of London smelling washing!

[Jeff Leahy]

Great to meet you and Donna too Chris!!! Pompey 'eh!!!...jut woken up to a very murky Wickham here...still ploughing through the seemingly endless pile of London smelling washing!

Suzi I love you babe, but the smokin thing aint doin you NO good :fish:

You cant blame London smog forever xxx

[ferret]

:boink: It'll do for the time being- till I think of somethin' else!!
xx

[Jeff Leahy]

:painkiller: Just worried about all the smokers outside conference. And slowly turning into the person I swore I never would. :pray:

xxx

[ferret]

What ?...someone who is turning into a pavement person?:smoker::welcome::smoker: x

[Jackie Murphy]

I've come down with some flu like symptoms, but I didn't dance! I was outside with all the smokers! Watching through the windows. It gave the proceedings a voyeristic quality. I've downloaded my photos but they aren't great quality. I can e-mail them to people, but I'm not technologically able to do anything else with them including putting them on facebook.jackie xx

[ferret]

Hi Jacks
I've got that too- First of all I thought it was just a small amount of over-indulgence (!) but now it's developed into - well as you say flu-like symptoms! Hmmmmmmmmmm Glad it's not just me! Didn't Jon say he had something of the sort earlier in the week?
Will pm you my email so you can send pics- but if you save them to My Pictures on your pc then it's easy to upload 'em to facebook- well even I can do it so it's GOT to be easy!!!!!

Suz xx

[Monty]

Im ill too.

Monty
:(

[Big Jon]

Yup, I've got the lurgy, and have passed it on to all my family! They love me so much for it!

I'll have some copies of those pics Jackie. Will PM you now.

[ferret]

Ah!!!!!!! There we are then!- Really rough throat and swollen glands to add to the mix... it's a plague!.......anyone else?:sick:

[Chris G.]

Ah!!!!!!! There we are then!- Really rough throat and swollen glands to add to the mix... it's a plague!.......anyone else?:sick:

Donna and I are fine. Came over with these strong Yankee antibodies. About to jet off to the U.S. around midday tomorrow. Now at the Comfort Hotel at Heathrow.

Chris

[ferret]

Hi Chris
Glad you and Donna are well.............so far!!!:tape:

It's really odd this- I though it was just me- but now the fallen are coming out of the woodwork...strange 'eh!:sick:
Daren't be off sick when I should be back at work from next Monday or they'll think HEY! that was SOME Conference!!!

Suz x

[SirRobertAnderson]

Hi Jacks
I've got that too- First of all I thought it was just a small amount of over-indulgence (!) but now it's developed into - well as you say flu-like symptoms! Hmmmmmmmmmm Glad it's not just me!

I probably should have mentioned to everyone that I have Ebola, but folks seemed to be having such a good time and I thought I'd just bring everyone down.

Sorry about that.

[Currerbell]

Am I the only fit one around here? That makes a change...:D

[ferret]

Ah! forgot to tell you about my necrotizing fasciitis .........Ah!

[ferret]

Am I the only fit one around here? That makes a change...:D

That's cos you weren't there!!!!:wave:

[Currerbell]

LOL, I shall bear that in mind next time Im offered the chance to attend a convention, either pass or take my anthrax suit....:D

[ferret]

He he I know:wave::wave:- may be safer!!! Marked with a Kite Mark I hope!!!! x

[Currerbell]

No Kite Mark, but a Kite was sold with it as an optional extra...:laugh:

[ferret]

He he may have come in useful after 3 days on the curry!!!!:wave:

[Caroline Morris]

Well thank Christ I'm so old that I must be immune to whichever virus was doing the rounds at the conference. Even Liza now has a cold, yet I seem to have dodged it. With the tablets I'm taking I have to go straight to A&E for an emergency blood test if I get a sore throat in case my white cell count is low. I really don't fancy hanging around Mayday Hospital for hours on end, whether it's just a common cold or a wee bit scarier.

Oh and by the way, Jackie and Suzi, men have raging 'flu while women have "the sniffles". :wave:

My advice is for you all to go to bed with a stiff drink.

No, not together. :boink:

Love,

Caz
X

[Currerbell]

Ferret - with all that gas inside, one wouldnt need a kite!:eek:

[ferret]

LOL Cazzi I know Gawd hon be CAREFUL Dr Smirnoff seems to do a good job tho 'eh!... decided to stay up here- despite my 'hysterics'- by the way Rob's back on caebook!!!!....Must be poorly just been ironing A N D washed the kitchen floor!!!!:help:

Suz xxxx

[Currerbell]

I hope you werent doing them at the same time!:shocked::noidea:

[ferret]

I hope you werent doing them at the same time!:shocked::noidea:

I tried!- but well there's a joke in that but I ain't going there- neither is the mop!!!!:shocked:

[Currerbell]

Nah, its too early mate!:decision:

[ferret]

'er never too:laugh: late to multitask!

Just heard on Steve Wright- so it MUST be true- When Queen Victoria ascended the throne 1/3 of the population were illiterate!!!

X

[Currerbell]

As a female, I would concur with you there my friend :hug:

[ferret]

Ooooooooooooh Gawd Caz I've gone into the tertiary stage!- Just got the hoover out!!!!:twitch:

[George Hutchinson]

I'm fine. Knackered all the time, but that's because of the workload. No illness as yet, though.

PHILIP

[ferret]

Hopefully you won't get it Frip- WARNING it leads to hoovering,floor washing and cooking!!
:help:

Suz x

[Caroline Morris]

Must be poorly just been ironing A N D washed the kitchen floor!!!!:help:

Suz xxxx

In that case, I must be poorly too. I washed the kitchen floor yesterday and ironed last night, and dusted and hoovered the ground floor this morning, but only because I'm having relations at the weekend - to stay I mean (!) - and my sister-in-law is what we call 'clinically clean'. Hubby says when he dies he wants his ashes sprinkled all over her spotless cream shag pile. :)

Pray for me, I have to do it all again upstairs tomorrow. :rapture:
Love,

Grumpy Old Caz
XXX

[ferret]

He he that's the only reason we invite people hubby says so the bathroom et al gets cleaned!!!!
If that's the symptoms- we're both in the tertiary stages- blue wee next!!!:washing::laugh::pound: xxxxxxxxxxxx

[SirRobertAnderson]

I have just been advised by the New York Blood Center that any and all participants at the London Conference are banned from donating blood for at least the next 10 years. They said something about Vector Liza but I get confused with all that science talk.

[Caroline Morris]

Sounds nasty, Sir Robert. You did mention that one side of your mouth had gone numb after Liza had just snogged the face off you. :whistle:

I doubt I'll be able to donate blood when I'm next due to in February. But that's because my brand of lurgy is obviously very posh and not to be shared with just anyone. :laugh:

Love,

Caz
X

[Big Jon]

I'm due to give blood now, and the vamps are in uni all this week (giving out halloween goodies!).

[SirRobertAnderson]

Sounds nasty, Sir Robert. You did mention that one side of your mouth had gone numb after Liza had just snogged the face off you. :whistle:


I predict she will be in the dock at the Hague as other victims come forward.

[Currerbell]

Jon - join the club, Im off next monday, got a lovely scar on my inside elbow thanks to the daft sod who couldnt get a needle in...got a keyring tho!:laugh:

[Big Jon]

Jon - join the club, Im off next monday, got a lovely scar on my inside elbow thanks to the daft sod who couldnt get a needle in...got a keyring tho!:laugh:

I regret due to this lurgy I won't be able to give this time.

[Currerbell]

I regret due to this lurgy I won't be able to give this time.


Just tell them all...well attending the Ripper Convention is mandatory but everything else they will wanna know!!

[Sam Flynn]

They said something about Vector Liza...
We're all doomed!

[SirRobertAnderson]

We're all doomed!

You know how loath I am to start rumors, but I have it on good authority that Robert McLaughlin is on the Level 4 ward at the CDC, and they are talking about a cement encasement if he fails to recover. Poor soul.

[Archaic]

Sam told me that Richard Jones gave a talk on Table-Rapping & the various efforts to solve the Ripper Crimes via Spiritualism.

I would so love to hear it...Does anyone know if it was recorded or filmed?

Big Jon? Jeff?

Thanks.

[Currerbell]

You would only hear a load of bangin....:D

[Big Jon]

I have recorded a quick interview afterwoulds in which he gives a very brief overview on what he talked about.

Jeff has the full talk video'd.

[Archaic]

Terrific, thanks Jon. I'll look forward to that.

-Got any more dirt to dish on anybody?

(I won't tell a soul)

[How Brown]

I just came back from a funeral where the priest advised people against huggy-kissy and even handshakes due to the Swine Flu.

[Sam Flynn]

I just came back from a funeral where the priest advised people against huggy-kissy and even handshakes due to the Swine Flu.
Was he a-coffin' himself, How?

[How Brown]

No, Sam, but the priest must have handed out 200 of those communion wafers to the opiated masses...and forgotten his own spiel.

[ferret]

I reccomend a hog wash!:pound:

[Jeff Leahy]

Sam told me that Richard Jones gave a talk on Table-Rapping & the various efforts to solve the Ripper Crimes via Spiritualism.

I would so love to hear it...Does anyone know if it was recorded or filmed?

Big Jon? Jeff?

Thanks.

Yes Yes give me a brake here. I have just completed Philip Hutchinson. I will start work on richard next if that is the demmand. they are coming out about 55 minutes each!

So that 8 hrs of footage! I figure the end of next week. but obviously everything has to be approved and checked via adam.

To add to problems I had a bizzarrre accident last night and broke a finger taking off my socks?

so i'm opperating keyboard with one hand! and gt difficulty.

xx

[Big Jon]

To add to problems I had a bizzarrre accident last night and broke a finger taking off my socks?


How the hell did you manage that?

[ferret]

Hi Jeff-
What a truly bizarre image there- OK fess up!!!....... How the **** did you manage that one?:eek:

Suz x

[Jeff Leahy]

I dont know. I was taking off my socks heard a load crack. When I came out of he bedroom I noticed my fingure was at a right angle?

So I pulled it as straight as possible and have strapped it to the other fingure. Cant get a doctor till 12.45?

So its a one hand type and the video is progressing slowly :tape2:

jx

[Caroline Morris]

How long had you been wearing the socks, Jeff? :whistle:

Seriously, that's an awful thing to happen and I hope it doesn't cause you too much grief.

Love,

Caz
X

[ferret]

Poor you Jeff- That is TRULY unlucky!!!!...that's what comes of changing your socks!:smokin:

[Monty]

Guys,


Just a few photos.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026906&id=1167703254&ref=nf

Monty
:)

[Caroline Morris]

That's no good to me, Monty - I don't DO Facebook and it's asking me for a password.

I was able to go straight to Jon's photos though, via the two links he posted, so what's the difference?

Love,

Technical Idiot Caz
XX

[Caroline Morris]

Here's Jon's links again, and they worked fine:



http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=164624&id=513903344&l=ce24f11ca9

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=164639&id=513903344&l=c739f6e7b6

Is there any way you can do it like that for me, Mont? Pretty please?

Love,

Caz
X

[Big Jon]

At the bottom of the album page there should be a public link to the album which you can send to non FB users.

[Monty]

Im ill....I shouldnt be thinking.

Cheers Jon

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026906&id=1167703254&l=541aadd285


Monty
:)

[Caroline Morris]

Thanks Monty (and Jon). Lovely! :)

You can stop thinking now.

Love,

Caz
X

[Sam Flynn]

To add to problems I had a bizzarrre accident last night and broke a finger taking off my socks
(Jeff's socks were in the mangle at the time.)

[ferret]

I'm sore throaty too- but have been doing the old pickles! See the Hallowe'en thread for evidence!:behindsofa:

[Archaic]

I dont know. I was taking off my socks heard a load crack.

Sorry to hear that, Jeff. If only it was someone else's sock you were taking off you always could try to sue them for pain & suffering, but I guess not when you are the rightful owner of the vicious sock... poor guy, I hope it heals quickly.

If the doc numbs your finger up, be extra-careful of bumping it as you work ...splints are very awkward,
but then the anaesthetic wears off later & you realize you've banged your injured finger 20 times during the day; not good!!! (unfortunately, I speak from experience here)

Don't worry about the Table-Rapping clip, I will try to wait patiently... Enjoy your Halloween! :rip:

Thanks, A.

[Jeff Leahy]

Have just gotten back from casualty. I'm going to be in a splint for six weeks!

those socks were clean on before my run, only 1 hr

Trying to learn to do mouse with left hand and type with right...

Plodding on with Video...almost finished paul..richard next

cheers archaic

jeff xx

PS if you catch this Philip it went in post about 12.30

[Jeff Leahy]

Having just completed Mei Trow's lecture, and lets face it guys you did rather let him off the hook,

I was somewhat interested in Mei's suggests that the Pinchin Street Torso was More likely to have been an organized killer and Norma's input about Chapman.

One of the main reasons for dismissing Chapman as Jack, is because he dosn't match the pattern of a disorganized serial Killer. Chapman was a poisoner.

However Chapman is a serial killer living in Cable Street? Surely a good suspect for the Pinchin Street Torso?

Pirate

PS You'll have to excuse my posts I'm down to one hand :attention:

[ferret]

I've been off work for two days with mega F L U stuff!!!!:pout:

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Suzi

Do you know if its possible to upload screen grabs?

Is it aloud here? Don't wish to bugger Howies servers?

Jeff

Ps Sorry to here you are poorly

[ferret]

Gawd ! Haven't got a clue!!!!!!!!An email to How may be best!!! Hope your sock related nasty OK- just about getting back to normal (Well as good as it gets!) here :) x

[Jeff Leahy]

Things not good. Will be in a split for Six Weeks. Socks should come with a warning message.

I have completed 4 lectures, Just starting Chris George.

Shortest to Date Mei Trows at 49 minutes.

Jeff x

[SirRobertAnderson]

Having just completed Mei Trow's lecture, and lets face it guys you did rather let him off the hook,

First, let me say how nice it was to see you again.

Now, regards Trow: I think that at the heart of the matter is the simple fact that many "Ripperologists" are gutless Internet toughies. Oh, they'll slash Trow up on the boards, alright, but in person ? Cowards.

There is also the point that I don't think any of us had read his book at that point.

And last but not least, his talk was on the Torsos, not Mann. And he was rather self effacing from the get go on his Mann theory.


I was somewhat interested in Mei's suggests that the Pinchin Street Torso was More likely to have been an organized killer

Agreed. The placing of the Torsos, the care taken in dividing them up, etc etc point to a Man with a Plan.

[ferret]

Mei was such a lovely guy though- no reason for any thread based:fencing: was there! AND as you say his great Torso talk was - just that- Great stuff!

[Chris G.]

Things not good. Will be in a split for Six Weeks. Socks should come with a warning message.

I have completed 4 lectures, Just starting Chris George.

Shortest to Date Mei Trows at 49 minutes.

Jeff x

Hi Jeff

Good luck to you in your recuperation, Jeff.

I believe I spoke for 30 minutes. Don't call me "Windy." :rolleyes:

Of course the Q&A might have added a few more minutes

Chris

[SirRobertAnderson]

Mei was such a lovely guy though-

Absolutely. Of course, he did take a gratuitous slap at Americans, which I almost called him on when I was groveling for his autograph on my first edition.

Reminded me quite a bit of Jeremy Beadle. He'd make a great Conference M.C. methinks. (Not in any way to slight Mr. Cobbs.)

[Chris G.]

Absolutely. Of course, he did take a gratuitous slap at Americans, which I almost called him on when I was groveling for his autograph on my first edition.

Reminded me quite a bit of Jeremy Beadle. He'd make a great Conference M.C. methinks. (Not in any way to slight Mr. Cobbs.)

He was also funnier than I was. I'm jealous.

Chris

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Guys

Don't get me wrong I found Mei Trow quite engaging but from a production point of view a little more controversy would have made better tele.:fencing:

That said, I noticed Howie was trying to get him on the boards and certainly having just edited his lecture he is the one person I'd like to ask more questions of....particularly the end conversation that opened up some interesting comments on Chapman as the torso murderer (via Norma).

I'm currently editing you Chris, still do not have your slide show?

I better get on with it :smash:

Jeff ({Pirate)

PS Do you require SFX on you voices?

[Chris G.]

Sorry, Jeff, did you need me to supply images?

Chris

[Jeff Leahy]

Well No, I was hoping Adam would do that, but nothing has turned up if your listening Adam?

Philip has kindly supplied me with copies of slides for his talk..

The important ones are yourself and Stuart Orme, who were actually excellent for slides...

IF you could either prod Adam or send some TIFFS it would help...

Your talk doesnt require much editing...very few gaps or mistakes.

I intend to send out a copy to all for approval before proceeding to public.

I think Colin should also get copies but do not have a contact?

At present I have left him in full? I'm not certain how everyone wants this stuff edited? Long or short?

Jeff

PS current running time on your talk. 47 minutes 41 secs

[How Brown]

Jeff;

Send whatever you wish to share to me at my email address

Donston1888@aol.com

I'll be happy to accomodate you.

[Natalie Severn]

Jeff, one of the more weird things about Chapman is how he manages to be near not just one but several murder sights or places of interest regarding the 1888 and 1889 crimes!Cable Street is the most definite as its in both the Post Office Directory and was stated by Stanislaus Baderski as being where Chapman/Klosowski was living in 1889 -just before he married his sister Lucy in October 1889. So the Pinchin Street Torso was discovered just opposite from where he was living in September 1889.
George Yard is another such crime scene coincidence -it is where Wolff Levisohn stated he met Chapman-see page 201, Trial of George Chapman- "working in a [barber] shop under the White Hart public house,89 High Street,Whitechapel,in 1888."[this is a verbatim report from transcripts of police Court proceedings on Wednesday,7th January,1903].I have written it out in full .Also I think I said page 202 instead of 201 at the conference!
But also Jeff,Mrs Radin was living at 70 West India Dock Road 1888 which was one of the addresses Chapman lived at in 1888 [ he was known to her then as Klosowski]-he lived there for five months with her and her family.This 70 West India Dock Road is simply a short continuation of the Burdett Road/Farrance Street junction where Emma Smith was last seen on the night of her murder.According to inquest testimony ,Emma was last seen by Margaret Hames [the friend she was soliciting with] ,chatting to a respectably dressed man in a dark suit and wearing a white scarf.So many coincidences!
Cheers Jeff,
Norma

[How Brown]

Since I am trying to get Mr. Trow to participate here on the site...I'm going to delete that last post and request that we wait until he commits one way or the other...before we continue any further on ths subject. Besides, there may some more of us out here who have questions for him we'd like answered .

Thank you.

[Jeff Leahy]

Jeff, one of the more weird things about Chapman is how he manages to be near not just one but several murder sights or places of interest regarding the 1888 and 1889 crimes!Cable Street is the most definite as its in both the Post Office Directory and was stated by Stanislaus Baderski as being where Chapman/Klosowski was living in 1889 -just before he married his sister Lucy in October 1889. So the Pinchin Street Torso was discovered just opposite from where he was living in September 1889.
George Yard is another such crime scene coincidence -it is where Wolff Levisohn stated he met Chapman-see page 201, Trial of George Chapman- "working in a [barber] shop under the White Hart public house,89 High Street,Whitechapel,in 1888."[this is a verbatim report from transcripts of police Court proceedings on Wednesday,7th January,1903].I have written it out in full .Also I think I said page 202 instead of 201 at the conference!
But also Jeff,Mrs Radin was living at 70 West India Dock Road 1888 which was one of the addresses Chapman lived at in 1888 [ he was known to her then as Klosowski]-he lived there for five months with her and her family.This 70 West India Dock Road is simply a short continuation of the Burdett Road/Farrance Street junction where Emma Smith was last seen on the night of her murder.According to inquest testimony ,Emma was last seen by Margaret Hames [the friend she was soliciting with] ,chatting to a respectably dressed man in a dark suit and wearing a white scarf.So many coincidences!
Cheers Jeff,
Norma

Yes, indeed there are. And while I've never bought Chapman as JtR. He is clearly a serial killer living in the area. And the points raised by yourself and Mei Trow about the Pinchin Street torso....?

Well lets say Mei Trow may have been wrong about JtR, but given his comments it would be ironic indeed if he did have the right Torso killer!

Fascinating Stuff. Que another doc.

Cheers for your input, trust you are well

Jeff

PS If Chapman were the Torso killer it would certainly make sense of Abberline's supposed comments

PS PS Your grabs are on there way Howard.

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Jeff,
It was a good conference wasnt it....I wish I had been able to stay longer as it had a great atmosphere!
Norma

[Big Jon]

Anyone reckon Colin Cobb owns this?

http://www.giftideas.co.uk/gifts/gin-and-titonic-ice-cube-tray.html

[Caroline Morris]

Hi Jon,

That's sure to go down well and break the ice at parties.

Love,

Caz
X

[ferret]

Lol!!!!!! That's MY line ! heeeeeeeeeeee!!!!:hug:

[Caroline Morris]

What? The White Star?? You own that line, Suzikinikins???

Wanna come back to my place, darlin'? :lol:

Love,

Cazzikins
XXX