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  • Jerry Dunlop
    Information Extractor
    • Jul 2014
    • 2060

    Harry Harris- Mitre Square Witness

    After being reminded on a thread on the Casebook forum about the 1885 Burton/Cunningham dynamite case, I came up with a few "coincidental" circumstances involving these cases.

    Let me start by laying the ground work with a few things. First, in the Law Journal of April 7, 1888, I found a case of bankruptcy for a Henry Harris, furniture maker, residing at 32 Great Prescott Street. Harry Harris, witness with Lawende, was said to live on "Castle Street" Whitechapel, which has since proven to be at 34, Newcastle Street, Whitechapel in both the 1891 and 1901 Census. He is listed as a furniture dealer living with his father. This was in September of 1888. Prior to this, I believe Debs has found him in the 1871 and 1881 census living at Catherine Wheel Alley which is directly behind the Bishopsgate Police Station. Joseph Lawende was living at 3, Tenter Street South up until about 1885. These two addresses are practically neighbors, so it could be that this Great Prescott Street, Henry Harris, is our witness and knew Lawende from the neighborhood.

    On my map the blue line is the route of PC Thompson as he patrolled the night of the Coles murder.

    I went on duty at 10 o'clock on Thursday night. My beat was to patrol Chamber-street and Prescott-street. I started from the bottom of Chamber-street up that street, and then along Prescott-street. In doing so I passed small portions of Mansell and Leman streets. There are three arches leading from Chamber-street to Royal Mint-street. The railway is over each of these passages.
    What time did you pass from Chamber-street to go under the arch? -
    As near 2:15 as I can tell. The entrance to the arch is opposite the Catholic schools. At that time I did not know the place was known by the name of Swallow-gardens, but I have heard so since. The roadway under the arch is partially taken away and boarded up from the crown of the arch to the ground. What remains is a roadway, enabling one cart to pass at a time. I should say the length of the arch is something over 40 yards. There are two ordinary street gas-lamps to light this arch, and they throw a light down the archway. I cannot tell the exact position of the light at the other entrance. If I was standing at the Chamber-street entrance to the archway I should be able to see any one in the centre of the arch. I could see right through it; and I can do this at night. The centre part is not very light in the daytime. The archway is much used by carts and horses belonging to the Great Northern Railway Company. Their stables, which are about 30 yards away from the arch, are in Chamber-street. At a quarter-past 2 I came up Chamber-street from Leman-street. When about 80 yards away from the arch I looked at the clock on the top of the tower of the Co-operative Stores in Leman-street. It was then very near 2:15. I walked direct up Chamber-street to the arch. I turned down the arch with the intention of going as far as Royal Mint-street.


    The short red line represents the passage of Swallow Gardens as we see from Thompson's testimony the arch was directly across from the Catholic School which can be seen on this map (R.C SCH.) The green rectangle is 32 Prescott Street and the dark red rectangle in Lawende's address in 1885.



    Now to go back to the 1885 Tower of London bombing and the case of Burton and Cunningham. Here is testimony from Inspector Abberline in regard to where Cunningham was living at the time.

    ...on the Saturday evening, while Cunningham was detained, I went to 32, Great Prescott Street, and saw the landlady, Miss Kelly, and in consequence of what she told me I spoke to Cunningham, and took a note next night of what he said; this is it—I said to Cunningham, "We have made inquiries at 30, Great Prescott Street, and find when you arrived there you had with you a large brown box and bag; the landlady states that you afterwards took the brown box away, and you told her you had borrowed it from a friend; now if you like to refer me to your friend we will make inquiry if you think it will be for your benefit"

    Is there perhaps some importance to 30 and 32 Great Prescott Street?

    In conclusion, here is a map of Castle Alley and the McKenzie murder scene.

    I find it rather interesting that Harry Harris's home backed up directly to the murder scene of Alice McKenzie. There was a 7' hoarding at the back of these houses but it was stated the upper floor of the homes could be seen from the alley. Harris would have been living here, according to the census anyway, in 1888, 1889 and 1891.

  • Howard Brown
    Registrar
    • Jul 2003
    • 109774

    #2
    Thanks Jerry ! Nice piece of digging, amigo.

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    • Jerry Dunlop
      Information Extractor
      • Jul 2014
      • 2060

      #3
      Originally posted by Howard Brown
      Thanks Jerry ! Nice piece of digging, amigo.
      Thanks, Howard.

      I read in a post along the way from Neil Bell that stated PC Richard Pearce had moved a stone's throw away from Swallow Gardens by 1891. I also read he was in an 1891 census living in White Lion Street, Norton Folgate, so I'm curious if the Swallow Gardens bit is correct? Neil?

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      • Jerry Dunlop
        Information Extractor
        • Jul 2014
        • 2060

        #4
        Here is the piece from the Law Journal, April 7, 1888

        HARRIS Henry, furniture maker, 32 Great Prescott st. Whitechapel. High Court of Justice, Order March 24

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        • Jerry Dunlop
          Information Extractor
          • Jul 2014
          • 2060

          #5
          I do have a question I am a bit unclear on. The night of the Eddowes murder, Collard ordered a house to house search of the immediate area. Would this have included Hutchinson Street and Newcastle Street in Castle Alley? I'm assuming Lawende headed back to his home in Dalston and Levy and Harris lived on the other two streets mentioned. How did their story get to the police about witnessing a couple in Church Passage? Did they come forward or were they part of the house to house search? They were long gone from Mitre Square by the time the murder was discovered.

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          • Anna Morris
            Registered User
            • Jan 2014
            • 6851

            #6
            Jerry: I can't answer your questions but it brings to mind a whole other can of worms. As I recall--I have read long discussions about this--there is evidence or some believe that some of the searches, the immediate searches or the subsequent door to door searches, led to witnesses. Maybe Lewende, Harris and Levy but I can't recall exactly. Then there is a complex idea that Aaron Kosminski had relatives living in the Goulston Street dwellings and something about those searches brought forth Aaron's name. (I think these discussions or possibly dissertations are at Casebook. It seems Wolfe Kosminski may be a character mentioned, and sister Betsy.)

            I am sorry if I am straying a bit here but wanted to call attention to what may have been a domino effect following one or the other of the searches.
            The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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            • Robert Linford
              Ripperologist, now deceased
              • Sep 2005
              • 21113

              #7

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              • Gary Barnett
                Former Member
                • Jan 2014
                • 18226

                #8
                I doubt the house-to-house stretched as far as Dalston. Even Castle Alley would have been a bit of a bit of stretch and outside Collard's City jurisdiction. Presumably, though, the clubs in the immediate area would have been called at and the witnesses' names may have been obtained from there.

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                • Robert Linford
                  Ripperologist, now deceased
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 21113

                  #9
                  Well, turning up just one witness might lead to the other two, if they knew each other well enough.

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                  • Gary Barnett
                    Former Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 18226

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Robert Linford
                    Well, turning up just one witness might lead to the other two, if they knew each other well enough.
                    Yes, it probably would, and the clubs, which presumably kept late hours, would be the obvious place to start.

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                    • Robert Linford
                      Ripperologist, now deceased
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 21113

                      #11
                      Hi Gary


                      Well, the Imperial Club certainly.

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                      • Gary Barnett
                        Former Member
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 18226

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Robert Linford
                        Hi Gary


                        Well, the Imperial Club certainly.
                        If "Dook's Place" was " abserlootly the sportin' centre o' the East End", then they may have had a few to choose from.

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                        • Jerry Dunlop
                          Information Extractor
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 2060

                          #13
                          Anna, Robert and Gary,


                          Thanks for the input! It appears the first description Lawende gave was sometime on October 1st. The day after the murder. The Imperial Club sounds like a probable starting point in how they found out about the 3 witnesses.

                          I also found another possible witness sighting of the couple.

                          New York Times
                          October 2, 1888
                          LONDON'S AWFUL MYSTERY
                          "The Whitechapel Murderer Still Untracked"
                          from our own correspondent


                          London Oct. 1st

                          The only trace considered of any value is the story of a watchboy who saw a man and woman leave Aldgate station, going towards Mitre-square. The man returned shortly afterward alone. The police have a good decription of him.

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                          • Scott Nelson
                            Schoolyard Bully
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 1298

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Robert Linford
                            Well, the Imperial Club certainly.
                            That's likely where they traced the name "Kosminski."

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                            • Howard Brown
                              Registrar
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 109774

                              #15
                              Unrelated to the thread......

                              Jerry: Someone just asked me where they could acquire a copy of the map you provided at bottom of the first post. Please let me know the name or a link so I can tell them.
                              Thanks.

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