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Old June 28th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #1
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Of course, unbeknownst to him, MacDonald's questions were being answered in at least the forensics involving Catherine Eddowes.

It may have been addressed in Phillips' likely more detailed notes regarding Kelly, but given this concern by this coroner, it seems a bit odd that Bond makes no mention of forensic tests of Mary Kelly's stomach beyond what food was present and how long he believed it had been consumed -- not even that they were waiting for results from a specialist.
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Of course, unbeknownst to him, MacDonald's questions were being answered in at least the forensics involving Catherine Eddowes.

It may have been addressed in Phillips' likely more detailed notes regarding Kelly, but given this concern by this coroner, it seems a bit odd that Bond makes no mention of forensic tests of Mary Kelly's stomach beyond what food was present and how long he believed it had been consumed -- not even that they were waiting for results from a specialist.
Hi Chris,

I know Dr. Stevenson (Toxicologist) was called upon to examine the contents of the Pinchin torso for evidence of poison. I have yet to find the results of his findings. It was stated in the news reports that it would take him considerable time to complete his results as he was busy with other cases.
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Hi Jerry,

Echoing, How...Nice!

MacDonald is often overlooked. Almost forgotten.

I've always thought that much new information can be unearthed in researching the "forgotten officials and doctors" of the case.

I'd not seen this picture of MacDonald before, or indeed read of his tentative opinions, albeit second hand, regarding the case. Very interesting.

Thanks for posting.

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Of course, unbeknownst to him, MacDonald's questions were being answered in at least the forensics involving Catherine Eddowes.

It may have been addressed in Phillips' likely more detailed notes regarding Kelly, but given this concern by this coroner, it seems a bit odd that Bond makes no mention of forensic tests of Mary Kelly's stomach beyond what food was present and how long he believed it had been consumed -- not even that they were waiting for results from a specialist.
Hi Cris
Lots of things seem to be have been addressed as regards Eddowes, down to the detail of sketching the crime scene, describing cut marks in clothing and analysis of her stomach contents and I've lately wondered if that is solely down to one person, someone who certainly had links to analytical chemistry, sewerage and the City and maybe therefore a certain little museum.
I also wondered if Dr Phillips may have received a pail for analytical purposes but his medical directory details are condensed to a couple of lines, disappointingly nothing relating to analysis.
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Hi Debs,

I'd be interested in that certain little museum.

Unlike Mr. Phillips, Gordon Brown was quite innovative. There were the things you mentioned plus his experiment on organ removal implementing a colleague of his was definitely thinking out of the box.

Bagster Phillips certainly was qualified to conduct an analysis of this nature. He served his apprenticeship as a chemist/druggest and completed his degree in apothecary. He was frequently called to testify in poisoning cases and malpractice inquiries involving improper dispensing of drugs to patients by his own medical peers. However, unlike Brown, he would likely have to be asked by the coroner or Mackellar before taking action beyond what was common procedure.
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Hi Debs,

I'd be interested in that certain little museum.

Unlike Mr. Phillips, Gordon Brown was quite innovative. There were the things you mentioned plus his experiment on organ removal implementing a colleague of his was definitely thinking out of the box.

Bagster Phillips certainly was qualified to conduct an analysis of this nature. He served his apprenticeship as a chemist/druggest and completed his degree in apothecary. He was frequently called to testify in poisoning cases and malpractice inquiries involving improper dispensing of drugs to patients by his own medical peers. However, unlike Brown, he would likely have to be asked by the coroner or Mackellar before taking action beyond what was common procedure.
Hi Cris,
I've sent you a PM. I'm researching one particular person at the moment who, on the surface, appears that he may have had some influence if not direct involvement in the way Eddowes' case was treated forensically. But I could be wrong so still working on it.
The certain little museum I meant was the one mentioned in Neil Bell and Rob Clack's excellent article on the photographed wall writing
Thanks for the information about Phillips.
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Hi Debs/Cris.

I've often thought that I could detect a crude influence of Alphonse Bertillon in the Eddowes mortuary photographs.

While working for the Paris Prefecture of Police in the 1880's Bertillon devised a system (Metric Photography) of photographing crime scenes, which also encompassed mortuary photographs. Bertillon was much ahead of his time; he even created a special camera which enabled overhead (God's-eye-view) photographs to be taken. His system also stipulated the taking of full frontal photographs, as well as photographs in profile, similar to some of the surviving mortuary photographs taken of Eddowes.

Interestingly, Dr Gordon Brown also studied in Paris. As Cris rightly says, Brown appears to have been "innovative". I do wonder if Brown ever came into contact with Bertillon.

Some years ago I did attempt to discover exactly where Brown had studied in Paris. I contacted the Sorbonne and received a reply, perhaps not surprisingly, in French! My schoolboy French proved unequal to the task of translation.

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