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The Witnesses + Evidence Inquest testimonies and how they have influenced Ripperology...from Albert Cadosch to a cry of "Oh,Murder !"....from the Goulston Street Graffito to those letters from Hell.

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Old March 27th, 2017, 03:16 PM   #91
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I think I saw the Green Gate in one of those censuses. We always called that crossroads the Green Gate - if as a kid I said I was going to Green Gate, I didn't mean I was going to the pub - I meant I was going for a haircut or something.


The vicious man traps for poachers were abolished in the 1820s, I think. Otherwise it might have been the end of the St Pier show.
Thanks, Rob. So the St P's ran the pub in Horn's Road. One of them apparently had a steam threshing machine for hire but went bankrupt. Another shot a couple of greyhounds.

Stephen's mother was Lucy White and there was a White/St. P. marriage I spotted, so he may have been related to them in some way.

It's nice to get a bit of background on these minor characters.
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I've just noticed a Florence Fountain listed amongst the St. P's in 1891. Stephen's maternal grandparents were Fountains.
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Well, Caroline under her correct surname is listed in the 1901. She's the wife of Ernest Wood. Various child Woods and then Mary A St Pierre, mother, aged 67, and finally Florence E Fountain aged 16 niece. BTW I think Florence's mother was called Moore.


This family was living at 201 Thorold Rd, Ilford. Didn't you ask me once before about Thorold Rd?
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Florence marries Felix Wood and they're in Ley St in 1911. Her husband was a greengrocer so she was OK for sprouts.
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Well, Caroline under her correct surname is listed in the 1901. She's the wife of Ernest Wood. Various child Woods and then Mary A St Pierre, mother, aged 67, and finally Florence E Fountain aged 16 niece. BTW I think Florence's mother was called Moore.


This family was living at 201 Thorold Rd, Ilford. Didn't you ask me once before about Thorold Rd?
I think I did, but I can't remember why. Was it something to do with John Perry, the pickpocket?

In 1890, a William Box, dealer, of Barkingside was charged with stealing a horse and cart from a James Russell of Limehouse.
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I think I did, but I can't remember why. Was it something to do with John Perry, the pickpocket?

In 1890, a William Box, dealer, of Barkingside was charged with stealing a horse and cart from a James Russell of Limehouse.
I was nearly right. It was Frank Ostime, the bent railway cop who was in cahoots with Perry. (Perry being one of the men who attacked Margaret Sullivan).
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Florence marries Felix Wood and they're in Ley St in 1911. Her husband was a greengrocer so she was OK for sprouts.
Before he graduated to sheep-stealing, John St P. was a cabbage thief. He wouldn't touch sprouts, though, he had standards.
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Before he graduated to sheep-stealing, John St P. was a cabbage thief. He wouldn't touch sprouts, though, he had standards.
No, but Caroline Wood.
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I must confess that until I was about 16 I found Sunday roasts a bit of a bind. Then I suddenly loved them - sprouts included.
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Maybe MJK left the Morgensterns because, with their Belgian connexions, they served too many BRUSSELS sprouts?
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