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Old October 4th, 2010, 07:50 AM   #11
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Hey guys,

The photo i'm talking about from 1892 is virtually identical to the second one from the top of Nemo's last post (great stuff by the way, Nemo!) - in fact, it may well be the very same photo, just with a different tint and slightly closer up.

Anybody that's interested who has old copies of Ripperologist can see the photo i'm talking about in my piece from Issue #89 back in February 2008....

Mike, that sounds great. I'd love to take a look if you're willing to share them. Thanks!

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Old September 7th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #12
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Speaking of photos of Deeming...the photo found below in the seminal "Letters From Hell" ( by SPE/Skinner) found on page 214 has always been a mystery to me, ever since I first saw it.
Sorry to sidetrack the thread for a minute here, Mike.


In my opinion the above guy's mouth looks too big and the chin too small to be Deeming. Compare with this--

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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #13
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Hi Chris

You might be interested in this thread in which Stewart Evans explains the history of the photo and a possibility of error - though I think it's him

It is the one taken in his condemned cell to show that his hair had turned white

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=12909&
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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #14
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Hi Chris

You might be interested in this thread in which Stewart Evans explains the history of the photo and a possibility of error - though I think it's him

It is the one taken in his condemned cell to show that his hair had turned white

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=12909&
Okay, thanks, Nemo. I will then accept that the photograph is of Deeming before he was topped.

It should be noted also that the white-haired man has his head leaning downward compared to the sepia photograph of Deeming, which could be masking similarity of the chin, and also the shadow round his mouth makes his mouth look different.

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I still doubt that the photo ( the one SPE/Skinner put in Letters from Hell ) and the other one are of the same people.
The ears are different...and at first glance, the one in LFH looks like an Indian.
The nose is different too.
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I still doubt that the photo ( the one SPE/Skinner put in Letters from Hell ) and the other one are of the same people.
The ears are different...and at first glance, the one in LFH looks like an Indian.
The nose is different too.
Hi How

Actually I thought that the ears looked similar albeit again that the visible ear in the photo of the white-haired man is at an angle. By the way, another thought is that Deeming, being a vain creature, might have tinted his hair before his arrest, and it grew out while he was in jail. My maternal grandfather used "Morgan's Pomade", which gave his hair a copper tint.

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I still doubt that the photo ( the one SPE/Skinner put in Letters from Hell ) and the other one are of the same people.
The ears are different...and at first glance, the one in LFH looks like an Indian.
The nose is different too.
Yes, How, it's the lobe thing again that came up recently with the new Tumblety pic isn't it? They seem to attach to the head differently in these two pics also ? Although I do think the nose and mouth look similar so maybe it is just the angle of the pic...in that case then I will have to reconsider what I said about the two Tumblety photographs...maybe.
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Very nice Deb - thanks

Taken in Liverpool is it?
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Old November 11th, 2013, 04:29 PM   #20
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I wonder when this one was taken, it features the date 11 April 1892, but he was already in Australia by that point, and it looks very similar to the William Barry photograph of September 1890, prior to his arrest and imprisonment in Hull.
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