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Old November 7th, 2009, 07:22 PM   #1
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Default Frederick Bailey Deeming

He may not have been Jack but the Public Record Office of Victoria, Australia, have done an extraordinary job of putting on-line documents and information about this fascinating murderer and con man.

The timing of Frederick Bailey Deeming's arrest and the sheer viciousness of his crimes led to him being in the frame for being the Ripper, but it would seem that Deeming's nefarious career was separate to Jack's.

Check it all out at

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/deeming/default.htm

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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:02 AM   #2
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On my blog today: "A 'Deeming Vote' for the Dems?"

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Old October 18th, 2010, 09:27 AM   #3
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I know this has been mentioned before, that Deeming claimed to have a letter from Catherine Eddowes. This news report is from The Advertiser, Adelaide, South Australia, Wednesday, 13 April 1892

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Old October 18th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #4
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Thanks for posting Chris.

There are three schools of thought regarding the letter depending upon which press report you read.
1, Eddowes sent it to Deeming, as Deeming.
2, Deeming sent it to Eddowes.
3, It's all a hoax.

There was also the eyewitness account that made it into the British Press regarding an unamed Dress maker who claimed to have walked out with Deeming the day after the double event.
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Old October 19th, 2010, 04:04 AM   #5
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Here is another of the newspaper reports about the dress maker who Mike refers to:

"[...]With regard to the statement lately made by a respectable dressmaker, that on the evening when two women named Eddowes and Stride were murdered at Whitechapel she walked out at Aldgate with a man who called himself Lawson (which is one of Deeming's aliases), and that when she subsequently met him Lawson was greatly agitated, and talked almost continuously of the murders, the police have received information which goes to show that Deeming was acquainted with the woman Eddowes. They have learned that Deeming while in Nova Scotia, some time before the murders in question, he received a letter from a woman whose name was Eddowes, and displayed it to some of his acquaintances.

The owner of the letter which was written by Catherine Eddowes, one of the Whitechapel victims, visited Canada in 1882, and went under the name of Jacobs. He boasted that he had seduced a woman named Kelly, another of the women who were murdered in Whitechapel ; but nevertheless the man who has given the information regarding the letter has failed to identify his acquaintance, Jacobs, from the portrait of Deeming."

- The Mercury, April 18, 1892.

I've quoted the article as it is, grammatical errors and all - make of it what you will. Here's the link to the original:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...&searchLimits=

Deeming did have aliases but this all seems a bit far fetched....

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I've been researching another topic, Breaker Morant,
and had a few credits left to my UK newspaper subscription
left over and found the following article that may be of
interest to some:

The Sheffield Daily Telegraph Wednesday April 18, 1892

DEEMING AND THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS

SUPPOSED CLUE

THE MITRE SQUARE VICTIM

(Reuter's Telegrams)

Halifax, Nova Scotia Tuesday.

It has transpired that Deeming visited
Halifax a few years ago, and while here he
showed an acquaintance a friendly letter from
Catherine Eddowes, the woman subsequently
found murdered in Mitre Square, Aldgate, on
Septemeber 30th, 1888.

A respectable man, whose name is known but is not
made public, has made a statement here which, in view of the
recent revelations connected with the Deeming trial in
Melbourne, has attracted a good deal of attention. He
says that in the spring of 1882 he made the acquaintance
of a man named Jacobs, who professed to be engaged in mining
speculations and referred to having been in Australia and
Cape Colony. Jacobs showed him a letter received from Kate
Eddowes, whom he described as a fast woman of London, who
complained of the treatment the writer had received at the
hands of Jacobs. Catherine Eddowes was murdered and mutilated
in Mitre square, London, on the 30th of September 1888. Jacobs
also talked freely of a girl named Kelly, whom he boasted of
having enticed away from her home in Wales. Mary Jane Kelly
was the name of another of the Whitechapel victims. On being
asked what would become of the unfortunate girls whom he had
betrayed, Jacobs said they would all "end up Whitechapel way."
The informant has failed to identify a portrait of Deeming as that
of Jacobs. Furthermore, it is doubtful whether Deeming was in
Canada in 1888.


With reference to a Reuter's telegram from Halifax, Nova Scotia
stating that Deeming exhibited there a letter from Catherine
Eddowes, a Whitechapel victim, who was murdered on
September 30, 1888, the Press Association's Liverpool correspondent
says: - It was in September 1889, not 1888, that Deeming returned to
England with the proceeds of alleged frauds at Johannesberg. In part
of 1888, at all events, he appears to have been in South Africa. He left
Melbourne in February that year, in the Barosa, leaving the vessel at
St Helena, and going to the Cape in the Dunrobin Castle. Arrriving in
Captetown he worked for a firm of engineers until he went to Kimberley
and represented himself to be the late manager of the Mount Morgan
Gold Mining Company of Queensland, and obtained an appointment as
manager of the New Novitnedalht Company. In April, 1889, he is heard of
again at Capetown, and afterwards perpretated, it is alleged, the Johannesberg
frauds, and escaped to England, arriving at Birkenhead in September, 1889.


Anyone wishing to have a copy of the above, please
pm me with your email address, and I'll send it along.

The article is in pdf format and part of a full page.

There were several articles in several newspapers all dated
mid April about the Deeming letter. The above had the most
detail.

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Hi Livia

This supposed letter from Catherine Eddowes to Deeming has been mentioned before. I don't think there's anything to it. A bogus report, and just part of the ramping up by the press in their effort to make out that it was a done deal that Deeming was the Whitechapel murderer. In other words, sheer sensationalism.

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Hi Chris,

Yes, I realize that, having read the thread before
posting. But, there are other details, i.e., Deeming's
whereabouts and travel arrangements during
subsequent periods, that may be of interest
to others.

Best back to you,

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Liv:
They sure are of interest....thanks for sharing
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Hi Chris,

Yes, I realize that, having read the thread before
posting. But, there are other details, i.e., Deeming's
whereabouts and travel arrangements during
subsequent periods, that may be of interest
to others.

Best back to you,

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