Jack The Ripper Crime Conference 2017: Liverpool

[Mr. Poster]

Hi ho

Next year there is this crime Conference in Liverpool in September.

Which according to the blurb will have a Maybrickian slant due to its being the 25th anniversary of the Diary.

Does anyone know anything about any New Maybrick stuff being presented or who any of teh speakers will be (those who have something to say about Diary land)?

I may possible be in the UK at that time and was debating With myself about whether or not to wander along.

But only if there are some interesting Maybrick type talks on offer.

Im not interested in the design of policemens whistles or such like.

Thanks in advance

P

[Howard Brown]

Thanks for the mention, Lars....

[Chris G.]

Hi ho

Next year there is this crime Conference in Liverpool in September.

Which according to the blurb will have a Maybrickian slant due to its being the 25th anniversary of the Diary. [Emphasis mine. CTG]

Does anyone know anything about any New Maybrick stuff being presented or who any of teh speakers will be (those who have something to say about Diary land)?

I may possible be in the UK at that time and was debating With myself about whether or not to wander along.

But only if there are some interesting Maybrick type talks on offer.

Im not interested in the design of policemens whistles or such like.

Thanks in advance

P

I don't believe the conference will be focused just on Maybrick. Far from it. In fact, it will not be 25 years of the Diary in 2017 but only 24 -- Shirley Harrison's The Diary of Jack the Ripper having been published in 1993.

I am told that the dates for the Liverpool conference are Friday, September 22 through Sunday, September 24, 2017.

[Mr. Poster]

Theres a blurb on the website that its 25 years, that one full day will be diary and many of the activities seem to be Maybrick.
Isaid it will have a maybrickian slant.
1 day out of 2.5 qualifies as a slant? A dash perhaps. A hint of. A dollop?
P

[Mr. Poster]

And here is the blurb:

Welcome to the official Jack the Ripper Crime Conference 2017. This year we will be in LIVERPOOL for 3 full days of Ripperology, true crime and history. The Crime conference will run from Friday 22nd to Sunday 24th September 2017.
As many crime enthusiasts are aware Liverpool has an infamous link with Ripperology as it is the home of the supposed Jack the Ripper diary which may have been written by Liverpool cotton merchant James Maybrick. This year marks the 25th Anniversary of the diary coming to light and we will focus one of the days events on a re-visit to this most intriguing mysteries. We hope you will join us this September!

And at least some of the activities:

The diary of Jack the Ripper: A 25th Anniversary

Court room used in the Florence Maybrick trial

Visiting key locations in the James Maybrick story

I think they mean the discovery (or whatever) of the Diary in 1992 - not the publication of the Harrisson book a year later.

Eiither way, sounds like a good day (note: I said day) out and should the speakers be half way interesting...... I might try to attend.

P

[Mr. Poster]

You and me both, Mr P.

A DNA test should be done on the Graham's to prove if they are of American colonial descent and related to Florence Maybrick.

One of Jim's claimed descendant from Sarah Robertson went on AncestryDNA to see if they were a match with an MJK candidate's descendant. She's connected with a Liverpool cotton merchant and had a son in 1887 and disappeared, and I believe there is a question of paternity.

If the family in St. Helens can be persuaded to talk about their missing MJK, that would create interest.

Given the hoohaa about the Kosminski stains and so on and so forth.....I doubt that I would be too impressed with anything that comes from DNA analysis in relation to the ripper.

In relation to this....

One of Jim's claimed descendant from Sarah Robertson went on AncestryDNA to see if they were a match with an MJK candidate's descendant. She's connected with a Liverpool cotton merchant and had a son in 1887 and disappeared, and I believe there is a question of paternity.

Why would there be some relationship between an offspring of Jim and some woman and the offspring of a possible Kelly candidate?

Sometimes I feel super thick when it comes to this Ancestry stuff but in this instance I do not understand why there would be a genetic link between a Jim descendant and a Kelly descendant. Why would there be? I dont get it.

p

[Aristillus]

Pardon my ignorance, but why is a crime conference going to discuss the Maybrickian hoax? It is not relevant to the facts of the Ripper except that it takes away from fact and leads us into the fog of fiction.

Don't get me wrong, please yourselves and fill your boots with all sorts of fictional tangents, but in the least, do the Ripper's victims justice and disavow poppycock to frill the lace.

[Mr. Poster]

Pardon my ignorance, but why is a crime conference going to discuss the Maybrickian hoax? It is not relevant to the facts of the Ripper except that it takes away from fact and leads us into the fog of fiction.

Don't get me wrong, please yourselves and fill your boots with all sorts of fictional tangents, but in the least, do the Ripper's victims justice and disavow poppycock to frill the lace.

If youre going to follow that argument, the you,ll be very limited in your scope.

If you want to talk about respect for victims, you should complain about the conference itself, not the Diary.

Because it has a nice shot of attendees dressed up as jolly whores and, presumably, rippers of various ilk.

You need to pixk your targets more carefully if fighting for victim respect is your objective.
P

[Aristillus]

Mr Poster (Twit):

If you're going to follow that argument, then you'll be very limited in your scope.

The scope of 'Ripperologists' is set by the facts of the case. The facts are the parameters, and to do both the case and ourselves justice, we ought not to step outside those parameters. Just saying.

If you want to talk about respect for victims, you should complain about the conference itself, not the Diary.

I was under the impression that I did, but of course, not explicitly. Was it too subtle for you?

Because it has a nice shot of attendees dressed up as jolly whores and presumably, rippers of various ilk.

Ah yes, cosplay, a very contemporaneous sport. Trivialise much?

You need to pick your targets more carefully if fighting for victim respect is your objective.

I wasn't picking targets, I was expounding an opinion. Perhaps, on the anniversary of their murders attendees of the conference would like to dress their children in the same or similar garb as Holly Marie Wells and Jessica Aimee Chapman? We burn effigies of Guy Fawkes on November 5th, a man hung, drawn and quartered I believe.

Better still. Why not just go around the cemeteries and dance on the graves?

[Mr. Poster]

Im too old and too much of a twit to engage with you and your rather odd posting style.

Have a good one!

p

[Mr. Poster]

Haven't you heard about MJK "being the key" to "solving" the case?

If James is the father of this MJK's son, then the descendants would be cousins descended from half siblings. She is the real MJK and James is linked to her.

A shawl cannot itself prove itself to have been handed down from anyone. A person has a verifiable family history. And in this case, the result didn't turn out in favour of the suspect I'm married to. But it does support the MJK ID anyway and she's connected by census to another Liverpool cotton merchant, Augustus Agelasto.

I have to ask San Fran......if you think Maybrick had offspring with MJK, the is it fair to say you must think that either Maybrick was the killer of Kelly and diary author or that the author of the diary must have been contemporary with Maybrick and/or knew he was the killer of Kelly?

Am I right in this?

p

[Mr. Poster]

Hi ho San Fran

I prefer the label Old Hoaxian myself as I honestly dont think Maybrick wrote it.. Nor do I think it was written any time after 1930 or so.

I could always be wrong though.

The thought of Jim bonking Kelly and not mentioning it in the context of having killed her doesnt strike me as plausible though assuming he wrote it.

The notion of a child is too far out there even for me.
P

[Mr. Poster]

Im sure it does San Fran, Im sure it does.

However, combine a profit oriented service with techniques and results that are inherently uncertain/probabilistic, chuck in a portion of the general public, sprinkle with some preconceived notions on behalf of that public and season with a desire for the users to be associated with someone famous/notorious or the most romaticised prostitute since Nell Gwynn and you end up with a certain type of cake.

Serve that cake up on a platter with a Maybrick/Ripper pattern and I for one will be a little reluctant to take a piece.

Its an uphill Battle you ahev to convince people. And without meaning to be critical, you might do better if you could clearly enunciate your arguments/theories and your results in one place.

Even on the link you provided I noticed that links to an "MJK DNA Project" (perhaps not yours) are dead or got to facebook pages unaccesible to many and so on.

One gets the immediate impression that its a will of the wisp.

P

[Howard Brown]

Official link to the Crime Conference page

http://www.crimeconference.com/

Welcome to the official Jack the Ripper Crime Conference 2017. This year we will be in LIVERPOOL for 3 full days of Ripperology, true crime and history. The Crime conference will run from Friday 22nd to Sunday 24th September 2017.
As many crime enthusiasts are aware Liverpool has an infamous link with Ripperology as it is the home of the supposed Jack the Ripper diary which may have been written by Liverpool cotton merchant James Maybrick.

[Howard Brown]

Fred Dinenage : First Speaker

The Convention's first speaker has been announced :




Fred Dinenage:
Murder Casebook

Fred Dinenage is a very well known English television presenter, broadcaster and author. Known for his affable persona, he has had a TV career spanning more than 50 years.

Alongside his television career, Dinenage has written several factual books, including ghosting on autobiographies My Story and Our Story for the notorious Kray twins.

Dinenage became co-anchor of a new pan-regional edition of Meridian Tonight on Monday 9 February 2009, presenting alongside former South East anchor Sangeeta Bhabra. In February 2014 he celebrated his 50th anniversary as reporter/presenter with ITV.

Recently Fred has hosted "Murder Casebook" for the crime network channel as it reinvestigates the most infamous murders from the 19th, 20th and 21st Centuries, exploring them from a modern perspective.With the help of leading criminologist Professor David Wilson, specialists and family members, Fred builds a picture of the person behind the horrific murders and discovers what led them to become a killer.During the series Fred has investigated, The A6 Murder, Jack the Ripper, The Moors Murders, Reginald Christie , The Acid Bath Murder and The Blackout Ripper. At this years Jack the Ripper crime Conference Fred Dinenage will recall tales from his investigations and life adding some new insights into old but familiar crime cases.
We look forward to hearing what Fred has to say at this years conference!