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Old February 13th, 2016, 02:51 AM   #21
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Hi Anna,

It would hardly be likely that Liz would be the only woman with a partner or "interest" inside the club though, yet according to witness statements she was the only single woman seen in the vicinity at the time. I also seem to recall reading somewhere that partners had been in the club earlier in the night? In saying that, I do think it's possible that Liz was waiting for someone - let's not forget that it wasn't far from the thoroughfare of Commercial Road which was much busier - and she certainly did seem to have made a special effort in regard to her work and appearance that day.

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Old February 13th, 2016, 02:56 PM   #22
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Hi Anna,

It would hardly be likely that Liz would be the only woman with a partner or "interest" inside the club though, yet according to witness statements she was the only single woman seen in the vicinity at the time. I also seem to recall reading somewhere that partners had been in the club earlier in the night? In saying that, I do think it's possible that Liz was waiting for someone - let's not forget that it wasn't far from the thoroughfare of Commercial Road which was much busier - and she certainly did seem to have made a special effort in regard to her work and appearance that day.

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Agree to that! I think Liz had a plan of some kind.
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Old February 14th, 2016, 01:42 AM   #23
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PC Smith told the inquest that very few prostitutes solicited in Berner St. In other words it wasn't a regular beat. I do still tend to think that the man PC Smith saw Liz with was a client however, (maybe a client who had treated her to grapes and/or cachous to give her peace of mind about him).

If BS man wasn't Liz's killer (and I do have difficulty with his unRipper-like behaviour in the street, drawing attention to himself) then maybe PC Smith's subject had gone off for a few moments leaving Liz there at the gate, contentedly chewing her cashews. Maybe he'd told her he had to use the club privies then waited in the darkness when he saw the row develop. After the row he rejoined her and they both went into the darkness of the yard.
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Old February 14th, 2016, 04:19 AM   #24
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Curryong:

Not a bad thought at all. I hadn't considered the possibility that Liz had simply been left alone for a few moments by a fellow she was already with. Either way, at least we agree that the behaviour of Schwartz's first man is out of character with JTR.

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Curryong: Your idea has a good feel to it. We always need to account for the cachous. I learned that when I was new here. Lynn always brought up the cachous. Lots of ideas about Liz' murder never fit together all the way. Your idea is workable.

I have thought of the cachous in relation to the grapes before. If the man bought grapes and she didn't like or want them, maybe he gave her cachous. She didn't have any grapes in her system.
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