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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #11
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Not the most encouraging of images: some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

Sounds to me like she was speaking of a miscarriage from a previous dalliance.
But it's only the first portion that's actually
carved on the headstone, right?

"A sower went forth"


The rest of the verse is explained:

5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed,
some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down,
and the fowls of the air devoured it.

6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was
sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang
up with it, and choked it.

8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and
bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these
things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this
parable be?

10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the
mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in
parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing
they might not understand.

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then
cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of
their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear,
receive the word with joy; and these have no root,
which for a while believe, and in time of temptation
fall away.

14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which,
when they have heard, go forth, and are choked
with cares and riches and pleasures of this life,
and bring no fruit to perfection.

15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an
honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it,
and bring forth fruit with patience.

(King James version)



Sounds to me like a mild rebuke for leading
a dissolute life.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #12
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Hi Bob and Livia

Rather than the inscription evoking the Bible verse, I think that Paul is right, and that the inscription is more likely to have been a reference to the joyful and hopeful message of the hymn, "The Sower Went Forth Sowing." Thus, it is nothing to do with a dissolute life but a quite opposite and positive message. Go here to hear the hymn and read more about it.

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Yes, that would be a heck of a lot of carving, wouldn't it?

I realize that others do not see the world through conspiratorial Maybrickian lenses, but there sure were a lot of mysteries and parables walking the halls at Battlecrease.

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But it's only the first portion that's actually
carved on the headstone, right?

"A sower went forth"


The rest of the verse is explained:

5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed,
some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down,
and the fowls of the air devoured it.


10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the
mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in
parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing
they might not understand.


Sounds to me like a mild rebuke for leading
a dissolute life.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:54 AM   #14
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AND A SOWER WENT FORTH

As a composer of sacred music it is possible that Michael was familiar with the hymn "Sower Went Forth Sowing" in which the sower is the Heavenly Father sowing salvation in the world and one day returning to gather his harvest.
But Michael and Edwin were responsible/helpful for Brierley getting the hell outta Dodge so to speak. So I am not certain that Michael would have had anything to do with the selection of this epithet.

And as Livia has pointed out, he did have a younger wife and I would have to think she chose the message.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #16
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The same verse/parable (A sower goes forth....etc) can
be found in Matthew 13:3, as the crawl at the top of
the page Chris cited shows.

I guess either the verse or the hymn could be the
source, but go to any cemetery and you'll see
far more scripture quoted than hymns. And the
words of the hymn were based on scripture. I
think it far more likely Mrs Brierley quoted the
word of God as most people did, than the words
of a cleric.

Chicken/egg, I guess.
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Folks have been incredibly kind and helpful in sharing documents and photos with us. I am touched, truly. Just down to one of the initial request.

So here's another. Somewhere, somehow I have mislaid my copy of the AFI report. I have my notes from it, but not the report itself. And of course the various Diary books cite varying degrees of material from it. But I would like to check something specific from it.

AFI (1994) ‘Report on Analysis No: 409011- 19 October 1994’ Essex, AFI.


There are a few things we are looking for, so I am opening a thread for things we need for the talk.

o Brierley's grave

There's more, like who the f**k wrote the damn thing, but this is a start.
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That parable of the sower is beloved of people who spread the Gospel, usually in the form of travelling and knocking on doors

The original sower is God, spreading his word, as explained by Jesus

I would say that it refers to Brierley being a good person spreading good deeds, happiness and possibly the word of God during his life
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The Diary of Jack the Ripper, Harrison, p. 198

Alfred Brierley's grave:

"...He is buried in the pretty churchyard of St Mary
in the village of Newick near the South Downs..."
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I would say that it refers to Brierley being a good person spreading good deeds, happiness and possibly the word of God during his life
Flo risked a lot to come to London to see him in March of 1889, only to be told he was involved with another woman. Their later behavior at the Grand National led to Flo getting beaten by Sir James.

I think all that Brierley spread was V.D.
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