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Old September 12th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #11
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I can't say that the 'Tin box' was ever really much of a problem to me. I'd still be more concerned about the possible 'Poste House' faux-pas.

In the context of the diarists 'poem', tin, matchbox and empty in that order, seems to me to be the only way of expressing what the diarist was trying to convey. His 'try out' line, subsequently crossed through, would naturally have to be the same.

'Empty tin matchbox' wouldn't work would it?

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Old September 12th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #12
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Its a specific and not usual formulation of 4 words.
In context the four words: 'tin match box empty' do make sense in that order and are clearly on a par with the four words: 'first whore no good', which appear in the same group of seven try-out lines for Sir Jim's double event doggerel.

It's odd to think of the author taking this trouble and consciously working the match box line in with the others in this way, if he has just unconsciously ripped off (pardon the pun) the words verbatim from a modern ripper book - Martin Fido's to be exact. That has never made sense to me. And how unlucky - or lucky, as the case may be - would a modern hoaxer have to be to include the one item on Eddowes's long list that appears to have been held back from the press at the time of the murders? I may be wrong but I don't think Martin mentioned in the book that the empty box was new info, published for the first time. I also seem to recall that he didn't see his book as a likely source for the diary. Perhaps this was because it had Kelly's breasts in the right places!

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Old September 12th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #13
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I may be wrong but I don't think Martin mentioned in the book that the empty box was new info, published for the first time. I also seem to recall that he didn't see his book as a likely source for the diary.

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Caz.

That's a very good point. I don't understand the resistance from some quarters to the fact that the resources available to a late 19th century diarist would have been very different to those available to a late 20th century one.

Much has been lost, and very little new has ever been unearthed.

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P.S. Whilst on the subject.....What's happening with the 17th September letter? Anything? It might have had important repercussions for the diary.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #14
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Yes the Diarist spells the couple's daughter's name wrong, as "Eveleyn" instead of "Evelyn." The girl was christened Gladys Evelyn Maybrick. See Melvin Harris's "Guide through the Labyrinth".

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That's in the will, and is one of the things some have raised to question whether or not Maybrick wrote the "The Will".

The Diarist maneuvered through the family maze rather well IMHO. For instance, Edward is not mentioned at all.....he only went to Battlecrease after Sir Jim's death. And Sir jim goes for a XMAS visit at the right time.

Small matters, true, but easy for a forger to trip over.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #15
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Chris. The diarist doesn't mispell Evelyn. Its not even mentioned in the diary. Its mispelt in one version of Maybrick's will.

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Ah thanks for that clarification.... bringing to question the authenticity of the will.
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Ah thanks for that clarification.... bringing to question the authenticity of the will.
Ooops.....working my way through the thread.

Yeah, like Paul said.
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I wonder if the diary author knew about the rogue extra e that appears in the name in Maybrick's will. Might explain why they put a rogue e in poste haste and Poste House.

And then there were the Juwes...

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The miracle in the library (sounds liker an episode of Jonathan Creek) ps no i dont think it was a miracle but does it fall into this category your asking about?
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Ah thanks for that clarification.... bringing to question the authenticity of the will.
Absolutely Chris. And at least one of the document examiners that looked at the will felt that the writing could very well have been Michael's.

Very likely I'd say, knowing what we do.

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If i may sound like a pro diarist for a moment - wheres the evidence for how Maybrick spelt post
It's in the post, Jen.
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