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Old March 15th, 2017, 07:46 AM   #1
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Dears,

out of curiosity: does any of you here belong to the skeptic community? Meaning: did any of you start researching about JTR within the skeptics (such ash CSICOP, JREF and so on)?

Just to set the point straight: I am not one of them, but being a debunker I'm in touch with many of them. Most of the times they are really annoying and close minded, and to be honest I don't think in general they are good researchers and their knowledge of science is very poor and vague (regardless what they say).

But, at least in Italy, some of them are interested in JTR and that's why this question I'm asking came to my mind.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 08:03 AM   #2
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Skeptic to what exactly?

With respect to JTR....skeptical to him existing or what?

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Old March 15th, 2017, 08:12 AM   #3
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Skeptic to what exactly?

With respect to JTR....skeptical to him existing or what?

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I mean if any on the people on this forum belongs to this movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_movement

....like James Randi and his followers.

Hope this clarifies what I mean.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 08:27 AM   #4
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Ahhhh.... I see what you mean.

I cant say I am a big follower of such a movement. It seems to me that quite a few "debunkers", like James Randi and a few others, make quite a healthy profit from their "debunking".

And when money is involved, Im usually quite skeptical to skeptics.

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And when money is involved, Im usually quite skeptical to skeptics.
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Very good point, I agree.
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Hello Leonardo. What many in the scientific community have failed to grasp is that science is founded on faith--faith in the five senses.

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They're poor researchers because there is no onus to prove a negative. It's the easy way out, the non-thinkers way out.
Good comment there. Debunkers are, despite their assurances, always working from a preconceived notion - that what they are trying to debunk is in fact debunkable.

You will never find a debunker who will admit that the thing they are trying to debunk may in fact be true/real/factual/whatever.

In addition...their debunking is their source of income often. Something not debunked - no book, no TV show, no interview, no pay packet.

If something is pseudoscience, it will go through the same mill that all science does and have its mettle tested.

It doesnt need a Discovery program and a breathless narrator (who uses the phrase "could this/it be.....?" way too much) to be debunked.

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You will never find a debunker who will admit that the thing they are trying to debunk may in fact be true/real/factual/whatever.
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I'm a debunker myself (9/11 debunker for 11 years and some other stuff like omicides of musicians) but I agree with you. Most of the debunkers just cherry pick the most convenient evidence.

I make no money out of it anyway (I have another job as engineer).
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I'm a debunker myself (9/11 debunker for 11 years and some other stuff like omicides of musicians) but I agree with you. Most of the debunkers just cherry pick the most convenient evidence.

I make no money out of it anyway (I have another job as engineer).
What pray tell is a 9/11 debunker?
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