Jack The Ripper Location Photographs- 2009- Hutchinson

[Howard Brown]

Phil:

I had a chance to read over half the book last night ( "read to me, Howie...") with my beautiful wife,whatshername.

Cris is right. The story on how you obtained the photo and the Whitby story are good ones.

I hope other folks won't wait as long as I did to pick up a copy. I swear to God, I thought I had the book. I came close to taking all the books off my shelves to find it because I am intending to put together a piece on Wentworth Street from the mid 1800's...glad I looked. Frigging memory is like a spaghetti strainer, Phil.

[JMenges]

Originally Posted by George Hutchinson

Cris, it's something I've largely walked away from, due to nutjobs on the brown site and their borderline stalking that followed (nothing to do with FJL, for those in the know). However, Debra Arif did some great chasing-up work for me and it's looking fairly likely at the moment that it's the SISTER of Marion de Forrest behind all this.

PHILIP

Awesome news, Philip.

I thought de Forrest a good, but not great, match, given your finding of Ms de Forrest in the ships log, her immediate role after your photo was taken in organizing the Exposition here in the states, while your traveller went to the Paris expo. Plus the nose...
I'd love for either you or Debs to share more details with me (publicly or private via email/facebook) unless you are still planning an updated edition. Only to satiate my own personal interest in this topic, as you know.

All the best,

JM

[Lemonjelly]

Originally Posted by George Hutchinson

Hi Stephen

There was more than that one individual - who, until I found the photo, had always been very friendly to me.

A certain friend of said person did likewise, as did a certain JTR author with a bizarre theory with massive holes in it, as did a few little irritants who came out of nowhere and just as quickly disappeared. Even several people in the field with whom I'd had nothing but cordiality started throwing their toys out of the pram because they couldn't have a copy for themselves and I somehow OWED it to them...

Believe me, folks. It ain't worth it! As I've said since, anything I find these days, I keep to myself.

PHILIP

Sorry to hear this. Bought the book on release, and have to say it wasn't what I expected, and this was a delight. It is an excellent book that contributes much to people who wish to learn.

This book & TLOJTRTAN are pretty essential.

Plus, you are a good writer.

[George Hutchinson]

Can you change your ID to Lemon Cheesecake so you can be my favourite boardie AND dessert?

PHILIP

[Tom_Wescott]

Originally Posted by George Hutchinson

There was more than that one individual - who, until I found the photo, had always been very friendly to me.

A certain friend of said person did likewise, as did a certain JTR author with a bizarre theory with massive holes in it, as did a few little irritants who came out of nowhere and just as quickly disappeared. Even several people in the field with whom I'd had nothing but cordiality started throwing their toys out of the pram because they couldn't have a copy for themselves and I somehow OWED it to them...

Believe me, folks. It ain't worth it! As I've said since, anything I find these days, I keep to myself.

Hi Philip, long time no see! You're deeply missed at the Casebook. Reading this post was news to me, as I only recall AP throwing a fit over your find, but we all knew it was just his usual jealousy. Apparently there was a lot of behind the scenes drama I wasn't aware of. Regarding the photo, I consider it a blessing that someone who CARES and knows about the case, such as yourself, discovered it and made it public. I considered it an honor that you chose to reference my work in your talks and book. I hope to see more of you around the forums.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[George Hutchinson]

Tom, that's very kind of you. I seriously appreciate it. At the risk of sounding sycophantic, your work on describing Berner Street was extremely useful and I would have been no better than La Trenouth or Andrew Cook had I not given you full credit for stealing your research for the passages I used.

Unlike several others, when I chose to leave Casebook I didn't announce it (I think my last ever post was putting up that tiny sliver of the DY photo my crappy publisher had lost in the book spine, in spite of all my instructions). I'm not the sort to throw a big public drama queen hissy fit - I might've done once many moons ago, but I found out pretty quickly it does you no good. I'll brood about it privately, and moan to a few close confidants. I find if you make big announcements saying you're going, it damages your credibility if you then come back again. Saying I was leaving would've served no purpose at all. I'm long-since 'signed out', but I'll look on it about two or three times a year if someone tells me there's something I should check out.

This site has always remained civil and on top of trolling behaviour. Such nastiness has occured, but the admins here have always been very quick to act on it. I found that wasn't really happening on the other site, particularly when one of the worst offenders has a position of authority. I've not regretted leaving the site for a moment and others who I class as friends in the field have found the same when they've done so. That's not to lessen the knowledge that - away from a proportion of its message boards - it happens to be an outstanding resource.

My finds in the last two years have been less exciting, but there's still some nice stuff. A large set of photos of the murder sites taken in the mid-70s, a postcard actually written by Mr Tayler from his Mitre Street shop in 1892, and a full-length hand-written play by Dr Sequiera spring to mind. Oh, and a previously unknown early photo of Deeming. I've not shared that info publicly until now. I feel I can do so on this site without people stamping their feet and demanding that I put up scans RIGHT NOW...

PHILIP

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Philip. Yes, I can attest to the fact that the admins here aren't afraid to ban someone if the need arises. LOL. I've been banned at least once. You might recall that AP followed me around for years, more or less making my message board life a living hell. I later found out this was because I was rather prolific with my journal essays at the time and he thought I was being paid for them, which is why he kept bringing up 'Yankee dollars' around me all the time. Once he found out no one got paid for their articles, he'd developed such a habit of calling me a money-grubber he couldn't stop. LOL. But he left not all that long after you. I'm glad to see you haven't lost your zeel for rediscovery. That's the main thing. As for your new finds, I'd be curious to know if your Deeming photo resembles any of his other pics? So many of them look like different people.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Tom.

I bought it from Australia, and it's backstamped from the 1890s with some Australian press resource (clearly following the conviction that led to his execution). It's possibly the youngest photo I've seen of him (20s?). Professional studio shot in an oval frame, head and shoulders, with short hair, square jaw and a small clipped beard and moustache. It is indeed him - all the facial features match.

PHILIP

[Mike Covell]

I hope Philip doesn't mind me commenting on his postcard.
Having collected photographs and officially sanctioned sketches of Deeming, and having been given the opportunity to view Philip's image, I can confirm that it is indeed Deeming and one of the postcards that was issued during the trial to the public outside the courts, then later Melbourne Jail.

[Lemonjelly]

Originally Posted by George Hutchinson

Can you change your ID to Lemon Cheesecake so you can be my favourite boardie AND dessert?

PHILIP

Thank you Phil.

Lemon yoghurt cheesecake is indeed a treat to behold.

I was being sincere with my comments. Your subsequent postings on the thread display significant dignity, as well as intelligence. Kudos to you.

I hope to pick up a new hutch book one day.

Next time I'm in London (I am living in wolverhampton) I shall have to treat myself to one of your tours, having been on Mr Rumbelows last year.