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  • Debra Arif
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    Martyn, I made my different lists from trawling the records on FMP.
    It depends on what you mean by comprehensive? As regards men named Kelly? Men named Henry? Men named John? Men born in Limerick? I've had a bash at a few things but not posted a lot of it. The service, pension and attestation records for the Scots Guards are on FMP. Quite a lot compared to most regiments archives. I search them regularly looking for inspiration.

    I also did a very basic tot up of the number of Irish Catholics who were attested in to the Scots Guards from the attestation registers because there were questions about how common that would be. I think it came out around 6 or 7 percent of the Scots Guards attested in the 80's were Catholic or Irish Catholics.

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Martyn Priestnall View Post
    Gary,

    Thanks for the heads up on this. I currently have subs for Ancestry and FMP, and will have to set the setting to get notifications re new additional collections, like these.

    I have about 4 (count 'em) possible MJKs within the context of my own candidate/line of enquiry and am now focusing more on finding MJK and it's
    good to have these mining death records accessible.

    A question for all: Where can I get a comprehensive list of relevant 2nd Batt. Scots Guards from? I know Debra kindly posted sometime ago on CB a listing, but I'm not sure how comprehensive the list is.

    Regards,
    Martyn
    You're welcome, Martin. Do all your 'MJKs' have that name?

    I personally don't know the answer to the Scots Guards question, but Debra probably will.

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
    Thanks, Gary.
    It may contain records that have already been trawled through by Ripperologists. I've never searched for MJK's Davis/ies before, so I don't know if there's anything new there.

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  • Martyn Priestnall
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    Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
    Incidentally, Ancestry has a new record set: UK Coal Mining Accidents and Deaths Index, 1878-1935.

    Gary,

    Thanks for the heads up on this. I currently have subs for Ancestry and FMP, and will have to set the setting to get notifications re new additional collections, like these.

    I have about 4 (count 'em) possible MJKs within the context of my own candidate/line of enquiry and am now focusing more on finding MJK and it's
    good to have these mining death records accessible.

    A question for all: Where can I get a comprehensive list of relevant 2nd Batt. Scots Guards from? I know Debra kindly posted sometime ago on CB a listing, but I'm not sure how comprehensive the list is.

    Regards,
    Martyn

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Anna Morris View Post
    A couple years ago, using my basic crude techniques, I found more Marie Jeanettes in Dutch records than anywhere else, including France and Belgium where I would expect to find quite a few.

    The Dutch spelling for Jeanette is Janetje or similar variation.
    That's interesting, Anna.

    I seem to remember we were curious about one of Bridget Kelly's sisters at one point. Did we look into her and rule her out do you remember?

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
    Incidentally, Ancestry has a new record set: UK Coal Mining Accidents and Deaths Index, 1878-1935.
    Thanks, Gary.

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Incidentally, Ancestry has a new record set: UK Coal Mining Accidents and Deaths Index, 1878-1935.

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  • Anna Morris
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    A couple years ago, using my basic crude techniques, I found more Marie Jeanettes in Dutch records than anywhere else, including France and Belgium where I would expect to find quite a few.

    The Dutch spelling for Jeanette is Janetje or similar variation.

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  • Gary Barnett
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    I'm inclined to believe the general outline of the story MJK told Joe Barnett. Some of the details may have been glamourised/sanitised, or Barnett may have misremembered some stuff, but there is a certain amount of corroboration.

    The thing I'm most dubious about is the name. The little seeds Debs has been dropping about the use of Marie and Jeanette in the Morganstern/Felix tribe have taken root.

    That said, it would appear that to some extent her parents and at least one brother kept in touch with her and presumably were aware of the name she was using in the East End.

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  • Robert Linford
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    Could you get me some oranges?

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
    Excuse me, Captain Barnett, your wife rang. I told her you were in the Marigold Tea Rooms with Ms Arif.


    Regards


    Pike
    I see myself as more of a Walker than a Main waring.

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  • Robert Linford
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    Excuse me, Captain Barnett, your wife rang. I told her you were in the Marigold Tea Rooms with Ms Arif.


    Regards


    Pike

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
    Of course.
    Just checking.

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif
    ...and I know who Mary Jane Kelly really was too!
    Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
    You're joking, right?
    Of course.

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  • Gary Barnett
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
    ...and I know who Mary Jane Kelly really was too!
    You're joking, right?

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