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  • Point To Ponder : Sir Charles Warren's View On The Motive Behind The Double Event

    What the following paragraph does is demonstrate Sir Charles Warren believed the Double Event was a double event.

    Two weeks prior to the following, he ordered the removal of a message or graffiti, if you prefer.....that referred to Jews.


    I have for some time past been inclined to the idea that the murders may possibly be done by a secret society, as the only logical solution of the question, but I would not understand this being done by a Socialist because the last murders were obviously done by some one desiring to bring discredit on the Jews and Socialists or Jewish Socialists. But in the suggestion of the informant we have a solution, viz:- that it is done by a renegade socialist to bring discredit on his former comrades." - Sir Charles Warren, 13 October 1888.


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    The initial impression I get is that it sounded like Warren was subtly trying to justify his action of erasing the Goulston Street Graphito. On Sept 30th, he had the chalked up message wiped away because he thought the writing would cause a riot against the Jews. Now we see that these Oct 13th statements of his were also in accord with the premise that the Jews are ultimately being targeted or discredited here.

    Warren seemed to have placed his trust in the words of a mysterious informant. He may have been happy to have done so. The informant suggested that the Jews were being discredited.

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      Warren seemed to have placed his trust in the words of a mysterious informant. He may have been happy to have done so. The informant suggested that the Jews were being discredited.
      -Joe Chetcuti-

      Joe...that would mean this informant or informants approached Warren prior to the Double Event....which is obvious but I thought I'd point that out.
      I'm trying to think of anything between the Chapman Murder and the D.E. which might make it appear as an attempt to implicate a Jew or Jews from the area....setting aside the Leather Apron scare which saw Pizer exonerated almost 20 days before the Stride and Eddowes murders...and coming up with goose eggs.

      This information appears to have been submitted to Warren privately, but as far as something recognizable, I can't recall anything.

      Back to you, JC.....
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        Although it was possible that Warren communicated with this informant prior Sept 30th, I wasn't really thinking along those lines.

        I was thinking in terms that it began with Warren erasing the GSG because he believed that the writing was discrediting the Jews and a riot may break out. Then during the investigation of the double event, he came across this informant who backed up Warren's belief that the Jews were being discredited. That is why I wrote that Warren may have been happy to have trusted the informant's words. Those words seemed to have supported Warren's previous action of erasing the GSG.

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        • #5
          Warren's theory that it was a secret society member (or ex member) was just that, a theory.

          Perhaps, based on the notion that Mrs Nichols was murdered within yards of a socialist open air meeting place and Mrs Chapman being murdered opposite a socialist meeting hall. Stride, Eddowes etc.

          The letter quoted arose due to the fact that a Polish born Austrian had come forward to the British Embassy in Vienna with information that appeared to validate Warren's hypothesis.

          What I find really interesting in Warren's letter is the fact that he was certain the "Jack the ripper" letters were fakes.
          Thanks for your time,
          dusty miller

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