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  • #31
    Kelly's Right Leg

    When you enlarge parts of the photograph of the Kelly crime scene to a greater degree the image tends to become pixelated.

    I have done this with the part showing Kelly's right leg and I'm afraid that it doesn't provide a clear answer. I had always assumed that the dark line around the leg was merely blood where it had run around the leg. However, there has been a debate in the past that it might be a garter.

    I have attached a scan of the area in question and, I feel, it is up to individuals to decide exactly what it is for themselves. Sorry I can't help more.

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    • #32
      Hi Stewart and Nemo

      I have argued in the past that it is a garter on Kelly's right leg. The line looks too regular to be either blood that has run or a knife cut. I still maintain that it is either a garter or the top of a stocking that remains on that leg, my other belief (perhaps also controversial) being that those are designs on the stocking rather than either blood stains or wounds.

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      Chris
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      • #33
        Yes to me it doesn't look like blood, surely it would run down the leg with gravity making a series of lines rather like spaced out comb teeth.

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        • #34
          Many thanks Stewart

          The line does appear to show an indentation in the flesh at the uppermost point, but it may be just shadow

          The art installation "McCarthy's rents" is relevant I think because when the red blood on the flesh is photographed in black and white, the blood runs and cuts appear as black marks in a similar fashion to that shown in the Kelly photo

          I'd agree that it's most likely a run of blood down the leg - before the leg was in the final position in the photograph though

          If it's a knife cut then I just wondered if anyone thought it significant in that such a clean encircling cut would take some control of the knife rather than it being a meaningless slash

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          • #35
            Here's the second, smaller crime scene photograph of Mary Jane Kelly (MJK3) showing the victim's right leg at lower left of the view, with what looks like the garter and a pattern on the stocking that I contend was on that leg.

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            • #36
              CG:

              Is the circled area the area that looks like the little hook or fastener on stockings to you ?
              If so , it does to me too.
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              • #37
                Photographs

                I do think that there is a danger in studying these photographs too much and then developing fixed ideas from that. An open mind should be maintained before taking a fixed idea of what may be seen.

                I have examined all the originals of these photographs and I still tend towards the line in question being a line of blood. But that is only my opinion and I am open to any persuasive new evidence which may emerge. The 'lines' along the leg in the second photograph appeared to me to be photographer's brush marks possibly caused in trying to 'improve' what was a poor photograph.

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                • #38
                  After seeing that larger scan, I see what you mean, Stewart.
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                  • #39
                    PS

                    PS - It should also be borne in mind that the right leg, in this second photograph, is in the foreground and slightly out of focus. There also appear to be a couple of circular water or chemical fluid marks on the leg, either side of the line, possibly flaws in the negative.

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                    • #40
                      I might be mistaken but I think someone pointed out writing in the same area Stewart, not JtR writing but on the photo

                      The lower "water spot" object seems to have 3D shading as if it is an indentation on the leg area

                      It could be a hole in a stocking or a piece of skin having been removed, so it's still contentious

                      There are lines at the top of the leg in that close-up that appear to be indented in the flesh, as with a cut, and they seem to correspond with marks visible on the right lower leg in MJK1

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