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  • More Better 5Q With Cris Malone April 14,2010

    We thank Cris Malone for his effort,candor,and insights...all to the tune of a twelve gauge.

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    1. Please take some time to share with the millions of readers...your favorite letter to the press or police and why.


    Thank you Howard. Of course it has to be the "From Hell" letter to George Lusk for obvious reasons. The kidney appeared to be human and was not preserved in formaline. The Bright's Disease/ renal artery issues are more controversial. Here we have again a disagreement between medicos on a critical aspect of the case, with Brown and Saunders expounding opposite views and good ol' Major Smith's "recollection" thrown in for good measure.

    The letter may be far more revealing. The writer seems to be genuinely semi-literate. It is sent to Lusk, instead of the police or the press and is direct and to the point. Though Mr. Lusk received other letters, this one seems personal and Lusk appeared to take it that way. And, of course, it isn't signed "Jack the Ripper", though the name was public knowledge at that point. Its almost like the writer is trying to say "Hey, it ain't those other guys... Its me!... and here's the bloody kidney to prove it". But, as in all unsolved mysteries its an undetermined facet of it.


    2. Please offer your view on how the Stride murder transpired.
    2. Please offer your view on how the Stride murder transpired.
    Because I've posted extensively on this, and for the sake of brevity, I'll simply throw out my speculation.

    First, I believe Liz Stride was soliciting that night. Her history and known movements indicate that to me. The police believed it and her aquaintances suggested it. I would also add that these women were frightened by that time. Dr. Barnardo's story bears this out and Liz was said to have been there. I don't believe any woman of that class would have been on the street at that hour, with a known danger amist, unless she was either escorted, desperate or a fool; and I don't think Liz was the latter. Every single canonical seems to have painted themselves into a corner on the night they were killed.

    I believe that Dutfield's Yard was used for "immoral purposes", though the club members denied it. Their neighbor alluded to it though. Few people in this whole case wanted to admit this for obvious reasons. The club's activity had fallen off and the fact that someone might have come out the side door was probably of little consequence. No street prostitute could expect complete privacy outdoors in a Metropolis and folks that might have come upon a business transaction likely just minded their own business. It happens today in our major cities. Dutfield's Yard was no different than the other outdoor locations.

    I don't believe BS man or Kidney was her murderer either. Liz wouldn't have given someone like Broad Shoulders a chance. Her antennae would have been up, especially after 3 other murders. There was no sign of a forced altercation in her death. The same goes for Kidney. He goes to the police himself and to the inquest twice. Most telling is his behaviour, which indicates to me a pitifully bewidered man with a guilty conscience over her having to resort to the streets again - possibly because of his treatment of her.

    I don't know if the man called Jack the Ripper murdered her, but whoever it was intended to kill her from the start; hid that intent effectively from her and was very efficient in causing her death. Why she wasn't mutilated if it was the same man as who killed Eddowes? I simply don't have a clue. Irrational people do irrational things, I guess.

    3. Please tell us which area(s) of the Case is/are in need of a compendium or "specialized" volume.

    That's a tough one because most aspects of this case has been covered to some extent. As far as a compendium is concerned, I know that, for me, a personal compendium, or database has been helpful. Books are fine, but even so-called "fact" books can have errors and include the biased opinion of the author. I would recommend to anyone wanting to partake in more than a casual study of this subject to rely on contemporary, primary sources. The internet makes this much easier than it once was. Inquest testimonies, police reports and existing MEPO files, newspaper reports and other correspondences are readily available. Researchers are posting right here on this forum information that would have previously taken years to aqquire. Your compendium can be catagorized by victim or whatever suits you and is available to analyse, so you can form your own opinions... or access if you are participating in a discussion in the forum. I would add related information such as detailed descriptions of the murder sites ( this is especially useful for Berner St.) the culture, habits, clothing, technology - etc... of the historical period.

    4. What area of historical research aside from Ripper study holds the most interest to Cris Malone ?

    That's easy. The American Civil War. My parents took me to Shiloh when I was six. I gazed in awe at the cannons and monuments and even though I didn't understand it, I knew it was something big and it had happened right where I lived. It was the singular event in American history. Shelby Foote once said that everything that happened before it, led up to it, and most everything that happened after it was the result of it. As an adult, I became a reenactor; first with the infantry, then artillery and finally mounted cavalry. It has been the most enjoyable experience of my life and enabled me to live it... at least as best as one could. Doing first person impression of the people involved made me research far beyond the textbooks. We had to get our uniforms, equipment, mannerisms and even the drill as correct as we could. I didn't want to simply study the events but to get into the mind of the people as well. That is actually what my interest has turned to in regards to the Ripper saga... the people involved- the doctors, policemen, the common people... even the prostitutes. All of that is now more important to me than finding Jack the Ripper.

    5. Which of the land based murders in London from Emma Smith to Francis Coles is the least likely to have been committed by the man...even if you think it was committed by the Ripper ?


    Emma Smith, because her attacker/ attackers seemed to just want to teach her a lesson of some kind instead of kill her. However, if the person who killed some of the others was "down on whores" he may have been making his first statement; even if he was with others in the assault on Emma.

    6. Provide at gunpoint....a favorite anecdote or episode within the Case that you enjoy...whether amusing or grave.

    I really enjoyed Sir Henry Smith's account. This guy was a fantastic story teller ( and that's what most of it was). He described every detail that a novelist would be hard pressed to emulate.

    I can visualize him being roused from his bed. "There's been another murder, sir. This time in the City". He quickly gets dressed, gathers his staff and piles into a Hansom cab; careening down the brick and cobblestone streets... detectives holding onto the back for dear life. He started that night with a perilous, furious journey that only escalated from there. He gets to Mitre Square and after conversing wth doctors and detectives receives news that a piece of apron is found in nearby Goulston St. He arrives there, and like the hunter he was, immediately starts on the killer's trail, transversing through the narrow streets in hot pursuit. He arrives just minutes too late in Dorset St. to see where the Ripper had washed his bloody hands at a public sink.

    I can picture a jolly old man, telling this story from his easy chair in his study; holding a pipe with a loyal cocker spainiel at his side, and a captivated audience of guest hanging on his every word. At the end he slaps his knee and shouts "He just got away!" Then leans back into his seat; takes a puff off the pipe and chuckles " He fooled us at every turn".

    We know Sir Henry fabricated much, as several of his peers seemed to also do... but at least Ol' Henry was sport enough to admit that Jack the Ripper just got away.
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    Originally posted by How Brown View Post
    5. Which of the land based murders in London from Emma Smith to Francis Coles is the least likely to have been committed by the man...even if you think it was committed by the Ripper ?
    The Martians are the men that will be blamed for nothing!

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      Seriously, Howard Brown comes up with the best questions. It's funny that Cris mentions the 'American Civil War'. Before I started posting to Ripper boards with so many Brits and people all over the world, I had only ever thought of it as THE Civil War. I figured we were the only country silly enough to fight itself. Great answers Cris!

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      • #4
        Thank you Tom,

        I was being generic in my terminology of what my grandma called " The late unpleasantness". Actually it wasn't a Civil War, in a strict sense. A civil war is two factions fighting for control of the same country/government. The South had seceded from the Union and formed its own country/government. "War Between the States" is probably the most appropriate term. The victors got to choose the name. 'Civil War' gave it more legitimacy for their invading neigboring states and causing the death of a half million people. My state of Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina and Arkansas didn't even secede from the Union until the threat of invasion was imminent.

        The real Civil War was in Kansas, in the years preceeding the big clash, where two factions were fighting for control of a state- i.e.- 'Bushwackers', 'Jayhawkers', John Brown ( not the John Brown that killed his wife in Westminster... LOL)
        Best Wishes,
        Cris Malone
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        "Objectivity comes from how the evidence is treated, not the nature of the evidence itself. Historians can be just as objective as any scientist."

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        • #5
          It's funny, but local history is rarely taught in English Schools, my son is learning about South America at the moment, so most children in England are unaware of the English Civil war, which coincidently began in Hull, when the people of Hull told King Charles I to sling his hook!

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