Some interesting cases with exact addresses on Pennington St. (If my files are working.) Guess they are. From 1891, about the time Mary McCarthy had unfortunates on the census entry.
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Pennington St. in Old Bailey Cases 1880-1895
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Not sure if I should keep posting like this, but doubt I could get it all on one page. Hopefully this will be JtR's first crime. He would have been out in time to create the autumn of terror in 1888.
IT POSTED! It would not yesterday. Now doesn't this sound like the beginning for JtR? (Hopefully everyone knows me well enough to know that is tongue in cheek.)The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View PostThanks, Anna. I'm familiar with the last case, but not the other two.
The Rose McCarthy of the Brescher Case is almost certainly the Mary McC of the 1891 census, her full name was Rose Mary MCCarthy.
Presumably Sarah Angelo was one of her girls.
So no matter that J. Morgenstern may have used the 79 P-Street address in 1885? That would have no bearing on Mrs. Buki, possibly with Morgenstern, in St. Georges Street?
If I have sorted this correctly, it proves what Debra points out in the other thread.
Wonder who lived in/owned #1 Breezers-Hill in the 1881 census? Any connexions from them to others that follow? If we understand this tiny chunk of geography near the London Docks, in the end we may learn a great deal about Mary's life and associates.The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript
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Originally posted by Anna Morris View PostCan we assume Rose Mary (Mc)Carthy occupied or owned, what, #1 Breezers-Hill, going back to probably about 1886 through at least 1891? That #1 Breezers-Hill was VERY adjacent to #79 Pennington Street?
So no matter that J. Morgenstern may have used the 79 P-Street address in 1885? That would have no bearing on Mrs. Buki, possibly with Morgenstern, in St. Georges Street?
If I have sorted this correctly, it proves what Debra points out in the other thread.
Wonder who lived in/owned #1 Breezers-Hill in the 1881 census? Any connexions from them to others that follow? If we understand this tiny chunk of geography near the London Docks, in the end we may learn a great deal about Mary's life and associates.
1, BH and 79, PS were originally one premises, the Red Lion pub, but were later subdivided. I'm not sure if the two halves were built at the same time. The 79 PS bit existed long before the 1, BH bit was built, but whether it was just added to 79, PS, or was completely rebuilt, I'm not sure.
The occupants in 1881 were two (apparently) respectable working families. Between 83/88 a man named Stephen Maywood and his family were at no. 1. He was a bit of a dodgy character, but I don't have him pegged as someone who lived off immoral earnings.
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View PostRose McCarthy didn't marry until 1889 and at that time gave her address as 7, Pennington Street, at least that was how it was recorded. Trouble is, there was no number 7, the numbers started at 79.
1, BH and 79, PS were originally one premises, the Red Lion pub, but were later subdivided. I'm not sure if the two halves were built at the same time. The 79 PS bit existed long before the 1, BH bit was built, but whether it was just added to 79, PS, or was completely rebuilt, I'm not sure.
The occupants in 1881 were two (apparently) respectable working families. Between 83/88 a man named Stephen Maywood and his family were at no. 1. He was a bit of a dodgy character, but I don't have him pegged as someone who lived off immoral earnings.
For the name, we see many examples of men taking wives' names, wives keeping maiden and former married names. You well know that in Wales Davies marry Davies marry David, David... I saw one Mary Davies marrying a David Davee, in an old paper of the time. McCarthy could marry MacCarthy.The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript
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Originally posted by Anna Morris View PostOn the number 7 that didn't exist, you are probably more familiar than me with the European ways of making 1 and 7. I bet the 7 was always intended as 1.
For the name, we see many examples of men taking wives' names, wives keeping maiden and former married names. You well know that in Wales Davies marry Davies marry David, David... I saw one Mary Davies marrying a David Davee, in an old paper of the time. McCarthy could marry MacCarthy.
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I did a search on Joseph Brescher (post 1. below) and found something odd.
He seems to have married a Mathilde Thorson in Stepney in Sept Q 1899 and then a Marie Brown in STGITE in Sept Q 1911.
There is a death registered for a Matilda Brescher in Stepney in March Q 1900 and on his second marriage Brescher describes himself as a widow. It would appear that the poor lady didn't last long after she married the mad axe man.
Or did she? Two Ancestry trees have her dying in Norway in 1941 (she was Norwegian).
In 1916, Brescher was on a list of enemy aliens and it was stated that his wife was German and iving in Germany. Maria Brown's father was named Ludwig Carl Van (illegible)hausen, so obviously German.
Having recently spent a small fortune on certs for Shippies, Tomkins and Christophersons, I'm reluctant to send off for Matilda B's death cert. But it would be nice to know how she died and whether Joseph or a known address of his is mentioned.
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