Gary here's the Brown marriage. The civil register has "Oeynhausen."
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View PostI did a search on Joseph Brescher (post 1. below) and found something odd.
He seems to have married a Mathilde Thorson in Stepney in Sept Q 1899 and then a Marie Brown in STGITE in Sept Q 1911.
There is a death registered for a Matilda Brescher in Stepney in March Q 1900 and on his second marriage Brescher describes himself as a widow. It would appear that the poor lady didn't last long after she married the mad axe man.
Or did she? Two Ancestry trees have her dying in Norway in 1941 (she was Norwegian).
In 1916, Brescher was on a list of enemy aliens and it was stated that his wife was German and iving in Germany. Maria Brown's father was named Ludwig Carl Van (illegible)hausen, so obviously German.
Having recently spent a small fortune on certs for Shippies, Tomkins and Christophersons, I'm reluctant to send off for Matilda B's death cert. But it would be nice to know how she died and whether Joseph or a known address of his is mentioned.The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript
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Originally posted by Anna Morris View Post"Van" can also be Dutch and not necessarily noble, whether or not it started that way. And there is the situation with Ludwig Van Beethoven where the Van meant nothing and he was barred from marrying noble women he loved because he was a commoner.
Good points, but Oeynhausen is in Germany, so I think there must have been a German link there.
Gary
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Just looking at the witnesses to Joseph's 1911 marriage.
1911 - Alfred and Annie Sophia Roberts - 44 Burcham St, Poplar.
1900 - Alfred marries Annie Sophia Gunther. Annie says her father Hermann is a poulterer, but I think this is a mishearing for 'an upholsterer.'
1901 - Alfred and Annie are at 6 Artichoke Hill along with a load of Gunthers and an obligatory bunch of McCarthies thrown in.
In 1891, the Gunthers had been at #12.
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Originally posted by Robert Linford View PostJust looking at the witnesses to Joseph's 1911 marriage.
1911 - Alfred and Annie Sophia Roberts - 44 Burcham St, Poplar.
1900 - Alfred marries Annie Sophia Gunther. Annie says her father Hermann is a poulterer, but I think this is a mishearing for 'an upholsterer.'
1901 - Alfred and Annie are at 6 Artichoke Hill along with a load of Gunthers and an obligatory bunch of McCarthies thrown in.
In 1891, the Gunthers had been at #12.
When Alfred married, he gave his address as 12, Princes Sq. (almost Shovel Alley, my mum was born at no. 11 Swedenborg/Princes St.) and his father's name as Robert Roberts.That rang a bell. The combination of Robert and Alfred Roberts gives only one East End result in 1881, in Ann Street, STGITE. Living with them at the time were three people called John Thurling - my great, great great and great great grandfathers I believe. By 1891 the youngest JT would be living in Lavender Place with his wife and Sullivan in-laws:; by 1895 he had moved to Breezers Hill (my nan was born at no. 3); and by 1901 to Shovel Alley. At one stage lived the family lived at no 25, Mayfields Buildings (aka Shovel Alley),which was where Denis McCarthy, the young man who murdered his 'sweetheart' Rose McCarthy in Cable Street lived.
So it looks like my ancestors may have lived with Joseph Brescher's best man.
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