Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Bulling & Moore...and Dear Boss

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Caroline Brown
    replied
    Hi All,

    I do think we are looking for someone with at least an emotionally disturbed and immature mind. The personal, professional or political gain from a stunt like this - personal jollies, more papers sold, authorities ridiculed and so on - has to be weighed against the serious grown-up trouble it would bring upon the author if he/she were identified.

    And I don't see a prankster volunteering his own handwriting to the police along with his anonymous prank unless he is almost unemployably stupid and tired of having a life and an income.

    Love,

    Caz
    X

    Leave a comment:


  • Natalie Severn
    Guest replied
    Again I respectfully disagree with this line of reasoning,Chris.The only personality likely to have sat down and carefully composed a series bogus letters of such a ghastly,callous nature in deliberately wonky handwriting,in my opinion anyway,would have been a criminally minded psychopath....such as the likes of Tumblety,maybe enjoying the added furore and attention they created.
    I did mention Sickert,who apparently rigged himself out in his studio from time to time in a dramatic red hat and cloak,redolent of the Ripper.....well maybe......but I doubt he would have composed these particularly horrendous epistles,culminating in the half kidney parcel.

    No,in my honest opinion,they were either penned by the Ripper or a clever psychopath.Don"t forget there are precendents-like The Black Dahlia Killer who ,very carefully, cut words out of newspapers to compose his horrid little messages ,each separate word cut out individually ,for the police.
    Best
    Natalie
    BTW The news agencies are very prominent in Fleet Street.Have a look next time you are over.Reuters has its name set in large stone letters over a big grand Victorian entrance.

    Leave a comment:


  • Chris G.
    replied
    Hi Nats

    You make a good point about the likelihood of whether Bulling did it. If the police knew it was him, why wasn't he prosecuted? Or maybe it was more that they thought it could have been him, but had no proof. It's all very well to make a statement, "we knew who it was all along" which sounds fine but it's hardly definitive. It is odd, however, as was remarked by George R. Sims ("Dagonet") himself at the time of the murders, that the Central News Agency was chosen to receive the letters, for who but a journalist would know to send the letters there? Maybe if it wasn't somebody at the CNA it was someone who knew about the journalistic trade, a hanger on or drinking buddy of the guys at the CNA conceivably.

    Chris

    Leave a comment:


  • Natalie Severn
    Guest replied
    Hi Chris,
    You make some important points here in response to How. I must admit I cannot share the views of the police at the time that these letters were probably written by "an enterprising journalist" such as Thomas Bulling or his boss John Moore- who Littlechild believed the most likely of the two to have written them.
    I agree too that it is "rather odd" that the journalist Sims,who would have been privy to the most salacious gossip from ,and had shared Macnaghten"s interest in ,the collection of just such memorabilia,would have been the one to be informed by Littlechild of the alleged scurrilous activities of one from his own profession.
    However my own thoughts on this matter hover around

    a]whether the handwriting of Bulling bears any similarity to the "Dear Boss" letter

    and

    b]whether such a man would have been at all likely to have composed such a letter.

    With regard to a]
    I am no handwriting expert but I myself,like you, can see very little similarity,even allowing for disguised handwriting,between the writing in the "Dear Boss"letter and Bulling"s long screed to the police----beyond that of traces of Victorian copperplate fashionable at the time.

    With regard to b]
    again this is only a personal opinion but it is based on a long association with journalists working both for Fleet Street rags and Reuter"s News Agency, that no journalist that I have ever met,drunk or sober, would have been likely to fake Jack the Ripper"s hand ,smudging the letter in blood etc knowing the police would be likely to eventually get hold of it.They are a cynical bunch in the main,quite enjoy making unkind comments about people etc but never in a month of Sunday"s would I think it at all likely they could be persuaded-or worse still have taken upon themselves, the task of concocting a spurious letter such as this, in the wake of these notorious murders,knowing full well they could serve heavy jail sentences if found out-let alone the humiliation and disgrace they would face from their readers.
    I am mindful too of the fate of Bullings contemporary Piggot,the Dublin journalist who we know did forge letters ,albeit for a very different reason.His disgrace was absolute and he topped himself as a result in 1889.
    Natalie

    Leave a comment:


  • Chris G.
    replied
    Hi Howie

    I frankly find the supposed similarity between Bulling's handwriting and Dear Boss to be unpersuasive. I know that this is generally said. However, the handwriting in which Bulling copied the Dear Boss letter of 5 October for Williamson at Scotland Yard, shown on p. 36 of Jack the Ripper: Letters from Hell, is sufficiently unlike the writing in the 25 September Dear Boss letter to think the Dear Boss letter was written by someone else. Why does it have to be Bulling? If the Dear Boss letter originated in the Central News Agency, surely there was a whole office full of people who could have written it, Moore included, but also clerks -- and the careful handwriting in the first Dear Boss missive looks likes a clerk's hand. A possible scenario is, if Bulling and Moore were responsible, they got a clerk in the office to write the thing.

    All the best

    Chris

    Leave a comment:


  • Howard Brown
    started a topic Bulling & Moore...and Dear Boss

    Bulling & Moore...and Dear Boss

    Thread for discussion on the modern and contemporaneous belief that either Thomas Bulling or John Moore ( Manager of the Central News Agency ) may have been behind the "Dear Boss" letter.

    In the Littlechild Letter, J.G.Littlechild gives the modern Ripperologist insight as to whom the two leading CID officials,MacNaghten and Anderson,felt were possibly behind the "Dear Boss" letter in the first place.

    This is obviously nothing new....but I wanted to add this:

    Moore fired Bulling for his flippant telegraph regarding the death of Bismarck..."Bloody Bismarck is Dead..".... but to some perhaps it might seem smarter for Moore,had he been involved in any facet of the construction of the "Dear Boss" communication,might have wanted to keep Bulling a little closer to his vest if he had been involved with the letter....despite he himself having less than a decade to go at the CNA.

    Considerable interest and subsequent time/money was spent on the Dear Boss letter by the police in their efforts...and the reputation of Moore ( who retired in 1907 and took up animal husbandry (pigs) and farming in the west of England ) would have been jeopardized had Bulling "rolled over" on his boss.

    Which leaves Bulling and a motive.

    Just a thought here....why wouldn't Bulling want the notoriety of writing the Dear Boss letter,later on in life....after he was fired at the age of 50 in 1898 ? Why would he?

    Its been mentioned that there appear to be similarities between Bulling's handwriting and the Dear Boss letter.

    Your opinions and views please...where do you stand on either man being involved?

    Thank you.
Working...
X