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  • #76
    Jon, I'm already adding in my tours now that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable unless you are actually witnessing something major with the intention of remembering details for future recall. That's not a bad achievement!

    PHILIP
    Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd

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    • #77
      Originally posted by George Hutchinson View Post
      Jon, I'm already adding in my tours now that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable unless you are actually witnessing something major with the intention of remembering details for future recall. That's not a bad achievement!

      PHILIP
      This could be my major achievement in life - modifying the tours of the one of the foremost Ripper tour guides!

      Remember though, even if you are actively observing for future recall it is still very likely that errors can creep in.
      Jon

      "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


      http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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      • #78
        I would like it to be known I was spot on with my desription, plus I knew he wasn't in the line up.

        Where's my medal?

        Monty

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Monty View Post
          I would like it to be known I was spot on with my desription, plus I knew he wasn't in the line up.

          Where's my medal?

          Monty
          Hi Monty

          Another possible test of eyewitness testimony might be to ask people after a tour to accurately describe the tour guide. Give them a questionnaire in a sealed envelope at the end of your tour and ask them not to not open it for a day. The questionnaire could serve the double function of having the people rate the tour which might be useful if you don't already do it, as well as coming up with a description of you and maybe others that they encountered during the tour.

          All the best

          Chris
          Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
          https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
          Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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          • #80
            Jons experiment was pretty similar to that Chris.

            Monty

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Monty View Post
              I would like it to be known I was spot on with my desription, plus I knew he wasn't in the line up.

              Where's my medal?

              Monty
              Well done Monty - I will have a cookie sent to you.
              Jon

              "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


              http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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              • #82
                Courtesy of Adam Wood and Lizzie Quinn - our fantastic actors Rafiq and Becky and a picture of them in action:

                Jon

                "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Big Jon View Post
                  I'm a bit of both Tom!

                  I spoke about problems facing the accuracy of eyewitness testimony. Even had a practical demonstration in which I had people remember a black guy as being white and a majority of delegates give a false suspect identification.
                  Oh yes, I see now. Fantastic idea for a talk, Jon. Hope I can see the video of it sometime.

                  You're probably aware that in the Zodiac case, in the early murder that MAY have been Zodiac, a girl was murdered after leaving a library by someone who was in the library and sketched a crude poem on a desk. The police gathered everyone who was there at the same time, had them wear the same clothes and stand in the same spot, in hopes that someone could remember the man who would naturally be missing. It didn't catch the man, but it was a novel idea.

                  Yours truly,

                  Tom Wescott

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
                    Oh yes, I see now. Fantastic idea for a talk, Jon. Hope I can see the video of it sometime.

                    You're probably aware that in the Zodiac case, in the early murder that MAY have been Zodiac, a girl was murdered after leaving a library by someone who was in the library and sketched a crude poem on a desk. The police gathered everyone who was there at the same time, had them wear the same clothes and stand in the same spot, in hopes that someone could remember the man who would naturally be missing. It didn't catch the man, but it was a novel idea.

                    Yours truly,

                    Tom Wescott
                    I was not - interesting idea though.
                    Jon

                    "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                    http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                    • #85
                      Eyewitness's

                      A book that I have found very useful over the years on the subject of eyewitness testimony is Analysing Witness Testimony: Psychological, Investigative and Evidential Perspectives - A Guide for Legal Practitioners and Other Professionals by Anthony Heaton-Armstrong, Eric Shepherd, and David Wolchover.

                      I got mine years ago from the Oxford University Press. If you can get hold of it, it’s well worth putting on your bookshelf.
                      www.darkdeedswales.com

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Bob Hinton View Post
                        A book that I have found very useful over the years on the subject of eyewitness testimony is Analysing Witness Testimony: Psychological, Investigative and Evidential Perspectives - A Guide for Legal Practitioners and Other Professionals by Anthony Heaton-Armstrong, Eric Shepherd, and David Wolchover.

                        I got mine years ago from the Oxford University Press. If you can get hold of it, it’s well worth putting on your bookshelf.
                        I recall using that in university at some point!
                        Jon

                        "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                        http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                        • #87
                          I've had a few requests to put the text of the talk online, so here we go:

                          http://jlrees.co.uk/jtr-conference-2013/
                          Jon

                          "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                          http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                          • #88
                            As I said to you at the time Jon,

                            Really enjoyed your talk. Did have an issue regarding the statement taking aspect however I'm being uber picky my friend, and its only my opinion anyway.

                            One of the great conference talks I say....not as good as mine though ;-)

                            Monty

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Monty View Post
                              As I said to you at the time Jon,

                              Really enjoyed your talk. Did have an issue regarding the statement taking aspect however I'm being uber picky my friend, and its only my opinion anyway.

                              One of the great conference talks I say....not as good as mine though ;-)

                              Monty
                              Neil,

                              Thanks for your kind words - I bow to your knowledge of 1888 procedure sir. Have published "warts and all", but happy to put some corrections at the bottom if you can detail what the actual procedure would have been.
                              Jon

                              "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                              http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Big Jon View Post
                                Neil,

                                Thanks for your kind words - I bow to your knowledge of 1888 procedure sir. Have published "warts and all", but happy to put some corrections at the bottom if you can detail what the actual procedure would have been.
                                Not corrections Jon, no need. It would be unfair of me to insist as I haven't the evidence, yet, to support my opinion for that exact period.

                                Besides, it has no bearing on the point made/conclusions draw, which I completely agree with.

                                Monty

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