2014 Ripper Conference In The U.K.

[Debra Arif]

And out of more interest......hve you seen the actual information that this summary is derived from? Or even the actual text which one must assume constitutes the whole communication of which this snippet is part (unless of course the two had begun communicating in fairly terse sentences!).

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Have you read the book?


Jari's summary appears right after Edwards has just described the rare 314.1c and its significance. It is introduced like this-

"Jari sent me a summary of his findings, which more or less repeats what I have explained, but may be of more interest to any scientists reading this:"

There then follows 3 pages of description of the science involved, including 314.1c and the population frequency occurrence of 314.1c-the text in the summary is centralized on the pages and in a smaller font, distinguishing it from the main book text supposedly written by Edwards.

[Mr. Poster]

I wish you woould read my posts Debra.

Your over reacting my then be at least justified.

I read the first 30 or so pages and then plastered my living room. I found it hard going to be honest as Edwards life story is hardly thrilling.

Do you know exactly when that statement was made relative to th ebook being published?

Dates Debra...dates. Please read my posts. Have you ny dates?

Out of interest, do you know if there were other communications between the two after that communication?

Well do you?

And out of more interest......hve you seen the actual information that this summary is derived from? Or even the actual text which one must assume constitutes the whole communication of which this snippet is part (unless of course the two had begun communicating in fairly terse sentences!).

Im interested in the greater text of dr Js communicatios to Edwards. Unless you expect me to believe that the contentious sentence or even what was in the book overall consitutes the totality.

For a woman who is concerned about parsing what people said to the nth degree when it suits you....I wish you would read posts with more care.

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[Debra Arif]

I wish you woould read my posts Debra.

Your over reacting my then be at least justified.

I read the first 30 or so pages and then plastered my living room. I found it hard going to be honest as Edwards life story is hardly thrilling.



Dates Debra...dates. Please read my posts. Have you ny dates?



Well do you?



Im interested in the greater text of dr Js communicatios to Edwards. Unless you expect me to believe that the contentious sentence or even what was in the book overall consitutes the totality.

For a woman who is concerned about parsing what people said to the nth degree when it suits you....I wish you would read posts with more care.

p

You're just getting hysterical now, your P-ness.

[Lynn Cates]

identity statements

Hello Debs. My old professor once told of another prof who inadvertently told his class:

"No, no. I don't mean this A or that A, but merely A-ness in general. And the second entity need not be this P nor that P, but P-ness in general. And in this one case I claim identity--A-ness is just P-ness."

His class never let him forget.

Cheers.
LC

[Mr. Poster]

You're just getting hysterical now, your P-ness.

Not at all Debra. Patiently waiting as to someone providing some information as to the sequence of events in terms of calendar dates.

You are obviously busy misreading posts and answering them such that you can express what you want to say rather than what was asked.

So I guess someone else may come along with the information sought.

p

[Debra Arif]

Not at all Debra. Patiently waiting as to someone providing some information as to the sequence of events in terms of calendar dates.

You are obviously busy misreading posts and answering them such that you can express what you want to say rather than what was asked.

So I guess someone else may come along with the information sought.

p

I answered your questions in my first response. I said 'No'. If the answers are in the book you can check for yourself-anyone who claims to have the book can.
Paul was saying he didn't think Jari was involved in the writing up of any of the science in the book so I posted the information about the scientific summaries that strongly suggest he was and were introduced in the book as Jari's contributions.

I asked if you have knowledge about the outcome or was privy to the conversation between Robert Anderson and Jari Louhelainen at the 2014 conference about 314.1c that we are all patiently waiting to hear about from Robert. It may be that Jari admitted a mistake and doesn't need anyone making excuses for him? You didn't answer.

[Mr. Poster]

Oh Im sorry Debra.
I missed your "no" answer. . . . .largely because it was followed by you rabbiting on about people making excuses for othet people and so on.

My usual tactic would be to ask you to show me where i do what you suggest im doing but i know you cannot and will just flap around for a while in an embarrassing fashion so i wont push you on the point.

Perhaps we could have gotten some more information about dates and other things if we had spent less time nurturing the confrontational atmosphere that now exists and not come across as nutters.

It must really stick in the gizzard that sir Bobs relaxed approach has the potential to yield more useful information than all the internet badgering and chest puffery has managed to extricate from the good doctor.

Must be a lesson in that for some.

What ya think?
P

[Debra Arif]

Oh Im sorry Debra.
I missed your "no" answer. . . . .largely because it was followed by you rabbiting on about people making excuses for othet people and so on.

My usual tactic would be to ask you to show me where i do what you suggest im doing but i know you cannot and will just flap around for a while in an embarrassing fashion so i wont push you on the point.

Perhaps we could have gotten some more information about dates and other things if we had spent less time nurturing the confrontational atmosphere that now exists and not come across as nutters.

It must really stick in the gizzard that sir Bobs relaxed approach has the potential to yield more useful information than all the internet badgering and chest puffery has managed to extricate from the good doctor.

Must be a lesson in that for some.

What ya think?
P

All waffle designed to provoke as usual.
It's not hard to imagine Jari formed his impression of 'Ripperologists' from reading your hysterical troll posts.

[Mr. Poster]

All waffle designed to provoke as usual.
It's not hard to imagine Jari formed his impression of 'Ripperologists' from reading your hysterical troll posts.

Youre up early Debra!

Not at all. If you sat yourself down and thought about it you might see the value in knowing the timelines of what happened and when.

A bit like Im sitting down to try and puzzle out your hinting that verbatim summaries of rhe doctors reports are now actually his contributions to the book.

How does one summarise oneself verbatim?

Maybe we could ask someone like Sir Bob to ask him, someone able to conduct a normal conversation with the man as opposed to coming across as......actually, I dont know how best to describe it.
P

[Debra Arif]

Merry Christmas Mr P.

[Mr. Poster]

Same to you Debra!
P

[Lynn Cates]

Norway and such

Hello Debs.

"All waffle designed to provoke as usual.
It's not hard to imagine Jari formed his impression of 'Ripperologists' from reading your hysterical troll posts."

A word of advice from an old Norwegian friend: trolls are better ignored--not fed.

Cheers.
LC

[Caroline Brown]

Well I still feel no wiser, Lynn. But maybe that's my own fault for expecting too much.

Does anyone know if Dr. L knew and approved of what the book was going to say regarding his findings, before it was published?

All we seem to have is an assumption that Dr. L's position at the time of the final draft was accurately represented/quoted/transcribed by the author, based on another assumption that Dr. L would have been quick to put the knife into the author publicly if that had not been the case.

But I agree with Debs that playing the blame and shame game is less important than seeking clarification of the current position and how it affects the likelihood that Eddowes or Kosminski were ever in direct contact with the shawl. If we need Dr. L's help in that regard, it's perhaps unwise to make too many public assumptions in the absence of public confirmations or denials.

Love,

Caz
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[Lynn Cates]

scientific help

Hello Caroline. Thanks.

Unless Dr. Louhelainen were some sort of unwitting victim, and he got it right but was misquoted, it is difficult to imagine needing his help for . . . anything.

But if Mr. Edwards took his excellent science and destroyed it, then I feel quite sorry for him.

Cheers.
LC

[Caroline Brown]

So you have no idea how happy or unhappy Dr. L was when he read the book as published.

Thought as much.

Love,

Caz
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