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  • #16
    I sympathise, Howie. I had shingles in the summer of 2011, round my chest area, front and back, and it was horribly painful for weeks on end. My back still itches as a reminder of that time, although the pain did go eventually. My GP at the time told me I should have come to her for antivirals before the rash appeared - which would have been tricky considering that was the first major sign that something was wrong!

    I believe you can only get shingles if you've already had chicken pox, which most kids in the UK get at a young age. The virus lies dormant, ready to strike when you are under stress or your immune system is not 100%.

    You can't catch shingles from someone with chicken pox, but you can get chicken pox - if you've never had it before - from someone with shingles. So you should avoid contact with babies, or adults who haven't had chicken pox, as it can be more serious for them.

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    Caz
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    I wish I were two puppies then I could play together - Storm Petersen

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
      When I have a sore throat, I suck a Fisherman’s Friend.
      So said the late great Larry Grayson.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Paul Butler View Post
        So said the late great Larry Grayson.
        Don’t tell Everard!

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        • #19
          Interesting the mannerisms comedians have. When Larry did a joke, he'd immediately follow it with "and, er..." Probably a defence mechanism in case he didn't get a laugh.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
            Don’t tell Everard!
            Nor Apricot Lil at the jam factory, along with Slack Alice. Those were the days!

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            • #21
              Trying to get help for actual pain is a nightmare. If there is any chance of long term, chronic pain, get hooked up with a pain specialist.

              I see the main topic is shingles. A friend of mine got that and the pain did not go away for a very long time. Her doctor prescribed lidocaine patches which helped a lot.

              Salon Pas makes a 4%, OTC topical lidocaine ointment which I use for neuropathic pain in my head and face (trigeminal neuralgia) and it helps some. (I also get 1% lidocaine injections for migraine so lidocaine is a good thing for me.) I don't think this can be used on open lesions which shingles sometimes cause though it could be used nearby.

              Something fairly new that a number of us are using for chronic pain is CBD oil which is fractionated from cannabis. This does not make you high and I buy it OTC from a drug store in Oregon. I do not know if this oil is legal in all states because of the source. It can be bought online. I would consider the "full spectrum" oil which has the various biochemicals that attack pain in different ways.

              The way this works is, the body has an endo-cannbinoid system which is just now being studied. Because of the system all through the nervous system, we can get high on marijuana. There are receptors just waiting to be filled. Again, CBD oil is NOT psychoactive. You can read a lot about it online and you can buy it online.

              CBD oil helps pain medicines like narcotics work better, it helps some people sleep better, it can decrease pain. I have had positive effects from it and my doctor, a pain specialist, agrees with me using it.

              Another thing we use in the west that may or may not work for shingles pain is DMSO, dimethylsulfoxide. The pharmaceutical industry has fought this one for years. It is a powerful anti-inflammatory and effects on animals are well known and accepted, so we get this from veterinaries or OTC at the feed store.

              Shingles comes out through the nerves so the pain is neuropathic which is a very difficult kind of pain to treat, especially now when people with pain are not supposed to have pain medicine because a "child" might get ahold of it and become an addict.

              The next step doctors take is to prescribe Neurontin (gabapentin) which is an anti-convulsant with horrific side effects. People who have had to take this drug call it "neu-ROTTEN". (I got awful sick on it but I have an extra electric circuit in my heart so some of this crap could kill me.)

              Lots of insurance plans only cover Neurontin though there is another, expensive drug called Lyrica (pregabalin), which seems to help people with neuropathic pain. It too has some major side effects. Any time a drug messes with the nervous system there can be big problems.

              Personally, I would get the CBD oil, the best preparation for pain. There seems to be no side effects though everything can have unwanted effects. Some of this oil claims to be completely free of THC and some has a tiny fraction of it. My point in mentioning this is, I don't know if the small amount of THC could be picked up in a drug test if one was regularly tested at work or whatever.
              The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Paul Butler View Post
                Nor Apricot Lil at the jam factory, along with Slack Alice. Those were the days!
                Who could forget Slack Alice and Apricot Lil?
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen"
                (F. Nietzsche)

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                • #23
                  And pop-it-in Pete.

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                  • #24
                    Shingles comes out through the nerves so the pain is neuropathic which is a very difficult kind of pain to treat, especially now when people with pain are not supposed to have pain medicine because a "child" might get ahold of it and become an addict.

                    Even with people who don't have kids in the house. Even to people over 65. Even to people who've worked for 48 years. Even to people who have legitimate, visible pain. Its a coin toss. Finding the 'right' doctor, which is an extremely difficult task which most cannot undertake.

                    Its all a bunch of shit, Anna...the way these invisible people dictate as to who gets the necessary temporary remedies to pain. We're controlled by strangers.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Caroline Brown View Post

                      I believe you can only get shingles if you've already had chicken pox, which most kids in the UK get at a young age. The virus lies dormant, ready to strike when you are under stress or your immune system is not 100%.


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                      Caz
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                      Sweet Eris, I am almost certainly up the creek there. I had chicken pox when I were a lad, and my immune system is like a kamikaze pilot on meth.
                      "The Men who were not the Man who was not Jack the Ripper!"

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                      • #26
                        Shingles can make dating very difficult, so those afflicted should join a shingles club.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                          Shingles comes out through the nerves so the pain is neuropathic which is a very difficult kind of pain to treat, especially now when people with pain are not supposed to have pain medicine because a "child" might get ahold of it and become an addict.

                          Even with people who don't have kids in the house. Even to people over 65. Even to people who've worked for 48 years. Even to people who have legitimate, visible pain. Its a coin toss. Finding the 'right' doctor, which is an extremely difficult task which most cannot undertake.

                          Its all a bunch of shit, Anna...the way these invisible people dictate as to who gets the necessary temporary remedies to pain. We're controlled by strangers.
                          My comment was utterly sarcastic, meaning the five-year-old down the street could become an addict if you have pain medicine. It is ridiculous! Someone decided to throw a couple billion dollars at the subject of "addiction" and now there is a new bureaucracy. I know a lot about this subject.

                          (Part of the reason my social life is almost totally online is because an ER doctor tried an experimental drug cocktail shot on me after I had had something like a migraine for three weeks, day and night during which I sometimes screamed uncontrollably. It was "safer" than a shot of morphine which would have let me sleep. It also made me mildly psychotic for a couple months and it took more than six months for me to remember how to pee! During that time I found that most of my "friends" and even medical professionals who knew me, just assumed I had a substance abuse problem because of a speech pathology from chronic migraine. I dug myself out of that hole, got a competent pain specialist and moved. All that was "safer" than morphine! This state of affairs led me into political writing. BTW that drug cocktail contained Torodol, a dangerous anti-inflammatory that can cause haemorrhage and knock out the kidneys. I also bled for a few weeks. Beware if that is suggested in your case.)

                          The left-wing nut-jobs (LWNJ) keep outlawing smoking everywhere and they outlaw vaping which is of no harm to bystanders. The reason is they envision a world where no "child" EVER thinks it is OK to put something to the lips and puff! Thus smoking will be eradicated totally and permanently in the perfect world of socialist control. (Tell that to the manufacturers of JUUL. All the kids use that product and it is so clean it can even be smoked in class with no one the wiser! The LWNJ's are fuming that more kids than ever are discovering nicotine. JUUL would be a heck of a stock to invest in but I don't think it is public. I am heavily invested in the tobacco companies so maybe one of them will swipe the technology.)
                          The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                          • #28
                            This lwnj doesn’t want to inhale others smoke or vapours.
                            People can smoke and vape all they like outside or in their own home just not in my face. If I’m out for a pint I don’t splash it around others or force them them to drink it.
                            Apart from the health concerns it’s just common decency.

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                            • #29
                              The left-wing nut-jobs (LWNJ) keep outlawing smoking everywhere and they outlaw vaping which is of no harm to bystanders.

                              On the other hand, Anna, its RWNJ who are in charge of the draconian med laws. Neither side has a monopoly on assholes.

                              This lwnj doesn’t want to inhale others smoke or vapours.
                              People can smoke and vape all they like outside or in their own home just not in my face. If I’m out for a pint I don’t splash it around others or force them them to drink it.


                              Amen String....I agree with that.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                                The left-wing nut-jobs (LWNJ) keep outlawing smoking everywhere and they outlaw vaping which is of no harm to bystanders.

                                On the other hand, Anna, its RWNJ who are in charge of the draconian med laws. Neither side has a monopoly on assholes.

                                This lwnj doesn’t want to inhale others smoke or vapours.
                                People can smoke and vape all they like outside or in their own home just not in my face. If I’m out for a pint I don’t splash it around others or force them them to drink it.


                                Amen String....I agree with that.
                                The latest advice is that the fumes from a Sunday roast are more harmful than traffic pollution.

                                So what next, roast beef shelters where pariah carnivores can be kept apart from clean-living folk?

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