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  • Killing "to see what it feels like"

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

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    Reminds me of John Conway's confession to the murder of nine-year-old Nicholas Martin, 1891.

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    • #3
      Kind of got me thinking about the Johnny Cash lyric 'I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die' There was a documentary where he was asked about writing this, and his reply was something along the lines that it was the worst thing he could think of as a reason to kill.

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      • #4
        Silverstealth:

        Thanks for that. The kids today seem to be affected by depression in times of greater material wealth than in the good old days when Mom stayed home and raised the children and they played with rocks and used their imagination. Many kids today are just about as imaginative as a box of hammers.

        Nina and I were talking about that on the way home from work today. Kids are being given the message right outta the gate that their parents are only part of the "crew" that raise them and there is no "most important" person in their lives...since most spend more time with paid child care workers than their mother or father...who change from year to year in some cases. I notice the girl killer's dad was not mentioned. In the US, more women now are in the work force than men.

        Raven:

        Stealth's post is just one of many cases in the LVP which seem lifted off today's headline stories. One difference is the explanation provided in these cases....Today we hear about ADD kids, bipolar kids, all these new mental conditions which they treat with dope that amounts to legal meth....the kids back in the LVP had every reason to be as depressed, bummed out, and moody....yet we seem to have more Jesse Pomeroys by proportion than they did. This shit goes on every day anymore.
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        • #5
          I think modern lifestyle has a lot to account for, some people grow up without valuing anything, as when money or credit is widely available, the anticipation isn't there now like it would be if you had to save and wait instead of getting the rush of the "quick fix" of modern commercialism. Unfortunately, some people will do anything for instant gratification across the spectrum and this includes devaluing or ignoring human life and the effect crime has on the victim.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by How Brown View Post
            Today we hear about ADD kids, bipolar kids, all these new mental conditions which they treat with dope that amounts to legal meth....the kids back in the LVP had every reason to be as depressed, bummed out, and moody....yet we seem to have more Jesse Pomeroys by proportion than they did. This shit goes on every day anymore.
            How, they just put them into industrial schools for defectives where they taught them to launder or to make brushes. They could then be useful and profit making for the rest of their eternal lives in various Mental deficiency colonies.



            Mentally deficient girls in a cookery class, 1890

            .....................................

            Check out this chap on my Meanwood Park site.

            Wormald, Mr. Samuel

            Leeds 1937

            Eugenics Society Member 1937

            Personal: Executive Office, Mental Deficiency

            Act Comm., 38 Park Square, Leeds 1938

            Source: ESAR 1937

            http://www.eugenics-watch.com/briteugen/eug_uz.html

            Samuel Wormald rounded up more than 2,000 people in the Leeds area.

            http://meanwoodparkhospital.fotopic.net/c1628370.html

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            • #7
              True, Silver...so very true and sad. Thanks for the followup.

              Raven....many kids are simply unfit for anything other than stuffing their faces because of their parents...or lack of parenting. 75 percent of Yank kids are unfit for military service I've heard..not just physically, but psychologically.

              They also have this awful mindset of "entitlement" that some of us had growing up in the late 1950's and 1960's...but nowhere near the extent that I've percieved over the last decade or two.
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              • #8
                I know, How. Kids learn values and morals by pro-social and familial modelling. When these are lacking kids don't have a chance in life. The 60's revolution passed my parents by and I was brought up in a 2 parent family with a stay at home mother. We were taught manners and morals (on the downside, I also learned guilt of almost biblical proportions if I ever did anything wrong We had everything we needed for a healthy life, but by no means did we get everything we wanted.
                I think Governments ought to give incentives to stay at home mums / dads in two parent families. In the UK, loads of benefits are available to single parent families and lot's of resources are available to encourage mums to get back into work as soon as is humanly possible. We have a huge job deficit here and with one parent in a family unit working, we could free up jobs then children could be looked after and nurtured by a parent rather than in a nursery / child-minder environment (I'm sure professionals in these fields do a marvellous job for the most part, but a there is no substitute for a parents love)
                I also think the army should run boot camps for teenagers who constantly offend, there would be fewer repeat offenders and career criminals!
                Last edited by Raven; November 21, 2009, 08:07 AM. Reason: To add a paragraph

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                • #9
                  Raven:

                  Even though my own upbringing wasn't as possibly/probably well-knit as yours appears to have been, I still had an authority figure...which most of us had here as well. Anyone who gets everything they want has bad role models in the first place. Obviously, "need" and "want" are 2 different things.


                  Maybe its something in all those food additives, Raven....I don't know dear....but modern kids are different than we were. Sometimes a lot different.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by How Brown View Post

                    Maybe its something in all those food additives, Raven....I don't know dear....but modern kids are different than we were. Sometimes a lot different.
                    The crazy thing is In twenty years time, we will look back on 2009 as the good old days...

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                    • #11
                      Ive been trying to work out how long 'chavs' have been around....any English person know? Is it less than ten years?

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                      • #12
                        Silver:

                        I think that what the kids find "good" about these times will be what we overlook. Since adults have to adapt to society and we're already adapted...we can and will overlook those good things they see.

                        But it ain't gonna be much.
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                        • #13
                          They tried the boot camp thing before. All we wound up with was really physically fit criminals with a major grudge against authority!

                          Originally posted by Raven View Post
                          I also think the army should run boot camps for teenagers who constantly offend, there would be fewer repeat offenders and career criminals!
                          Jon

                          "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


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                          • #14
                            Personally? I'm seriously disturbed, by how much of that story revolved around the killer's rights and needs. Tragic. Considering her apathetic attitude towards what she did.

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                            • #15
                              I've just actually read the article and I'm fascinated by the why. This was clearly premeditated and calculated.

                              Though it's interesting how seemingly easily she confessed to the killing. Perhaps she wanted to get caught. Would be interesting to see more in depth into her famly background.
                              Jon

                              "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


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