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  • Robert Linford
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    If you read the you tube comments on a Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc song, it's full of ageing rebels saying "they don't make music like this any more."
    And then there's that old song "Kids" :

    Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
    Oh what's the matter with kids today?

    Nevertheless all that said I feel there has been an alarming drop in standards of morality and self-discipline, and even (despite all the GCSEs and A levels and degrees) in intelligence. People today must be the thickest since Australopithecus.

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    He was my Sociology teacher at uni and has done several books on murder in society and madness...they are on amazon...

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  • Big Jon
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    Not as far as I'm aware.

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    Jon - You read any books by Peter Morrall whilst doing your course?

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  • Big Jon
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    I'm sure it was 80's UK. One of my uni lecturers said she did research into the reoffending rate. I think they were meant to emulate National Service. I'll have to see if I can dig out the details from last year.

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    You sure it was the UK Jon? As Thorn Cross was the first of its kind and was a Home Office / Probation Service pilot, it was only the NIMBY's that were opposed to it, because of the day release scheme which p*ssed off the local villagers. We had the Borstal System still ongoing in the early 80's but that was tagged a "short sharp shock" but they weren't particularly militarily run.

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  • Big Jon
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    I'm thinking of the ones they tried in the early to mid 80's (I think). I'd never come across Thorn Cross before!

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    Originally posted by Big Jon View Post
    They tried the boot camp thing before. All we wound up with was really physically fit criminals with a major grudge against authority!
    Well, they tried Thorn Cross in the late 90's Jon, and the consensus seemed to be that it worked in the majority of cases with a drop in the re-offending rate of over 20%, but it was never expanded on, and to be honest, the majority of offenders sent there seemed to be in the upper age youth bracket more towards 21. Also, it was still a young offenders institute and run by the prison service rather than the army.
    All the inspections were positive and it certainly didn't have the record some YOI's had for suicide or self harm among young offenders and it was excellent in working with marginalised groups of society.

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  • Howard Brown
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    Dustin:

    Makes you wonder how long that girl was capable of an act like that....maybe she felt that way for years ,but it took as long as it did simply for her courage to catch up with her convictions.

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    @Howie: You'd wager correctly!

    It's fairly obvious to myself, the individuals in that girl's life were pulling a 'Julie Baumeister'. Sociopathologies of that nature, don't just pop up overnight.

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  • Howard Brown
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    Dustin:

    Thats a given buddy...perpetrators are almost always looked out for in this assbackwards society so their rights are not violated.

    You can't tell me ( or you, I'd wager ) that the people in the perp's social circle couldn't tell that girl wasn't wrapped right before she did what she did...

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  • Big Jon
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    I've just actually read the article and I'm fascinated by the why. This was clearly premeditated and calculated.

    Though it's interesting how seemingly easily she confessed to the killing. Perhaps she wanted to get caught. Would be interesting to see more in depth into her famly background.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Personally? I'm seriously disturbed, by how much of that story revolved around the killer's rights and needs. Tragic. Considering her apathetic attitude towards what she did.

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  • Big Jon
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    They tried the boot camp thing before. All we wound up with was really physically fit criminals with a major grudge against authority!

    Originally posted by Raven View Post
    I also think the army should run boot camps for teenagers who constantly offend, there would be fewer repeat offenders and career criminals!

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  • Howard Brown
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    Silver:

    I think that what the kids find "good" about these times will be what we overlook. Since adults have to adapt to society and we're already adapted...we can and will overlook those good things they see.

    But it ain't gonna be much.

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