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  • #46
    Hi Jeff

    Do you not think that Maybrick would be like the numerous examples of travelling killers known today - killing while on the way to work or during work that involves travelling?

    Maybrick probably wouldn't (be able to) kill while on a horse racing outing to Aintree or wherever

    He would only kill in Whitechapel where he travelled to in the normal line of his business and social life and where he knew there was a vulnerable victim pool and a population at odds with the police

    The location is advantageous to getting away with murder

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Nemo View Post
      Hi Jeff

      Do you not think that Maybrick would be like the numerous examples of travelling killers known today - killing while on the way to work or during work that involves travelling?

      Maybrick probably wouldn't (be able to) kill while on a horse racing outing to Aintree or wherever

      He would only kill in Whitechapel where he travelled to in the normal line of his business and social life and where he knew there was a vulnerable victim pool and a population at odds with the police

      The location is advantageous to getting away with murder
      Good day Nemo

      I'd agree with that to an extent. I'm simply saying that with a killer travelling the country and also having a base in Liverpool we'd expect a killer used to travelling to commit crimes on a wider spread.

      And while the addiction induced 'Psychosis' is an interesting one, I'd still expect him to attack where ever it took hold. Again interesting in Maybricks case that there are hints and suggestions of this..

      But buy the time we get to Chapman's murder Whitechapel is hardly a safe haven for a serial killer who travels the country, its crawling with police and 'Whores' on full alert. Much easier to find a redlight district in Liverpool or even jump a train to Elephant and Castle.. This is a man used to travelling and moving about.

      I dont think Jack the Ripper ever went far from his haunt in Whitechapel

      Yours Jeff

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
        Indeed one of the thoughts about a number of the unsolved apparent crimes by serial killers in the United States is that the murders were committed by long-distance truck drivers or drifters that were able to move from place to place and pick up victims wherever they went. Of course, we might think here as well of the British serial killer Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, who worked as a long-distance lorry driver, who fits this model.
        Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
        Needless to say, lorry driver or drifter serial killers aren't commuters, Bob. They are people who kill wherever they go.
        Peter Sutcliffe commuted from Bradford in his own automobile, to Leeds, Manchester, Huddersfield, Halifax, and finally Sheffield where he was eventually caught specifically to commit murder.

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        • #49
          Thanks for that clarification, Colin. Did his lorry driving though give him the opportunity to scope out killing grounds? Just asking.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
            Thanks for that clarification, Colin. Did his lorry driving though give him the opportunity to scope out killing grounds? Just asking.
            I am sure it did, Chris: At least in the cases of Leeds, Huddersfield, and Halifax; if not Manchester and Sheffield.

            But Sutcliffe was what we would term here in America, a 'local' or 'short-distance' trucker. He worked a relatively normal daily schedule.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View Post
              Hold on Caroline. I never stated this..

              Please go back and read my posts..
              Okay, Jeff, here is where you stated that JtR operated like Savile:

              Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View Post
              OK , I will try and spell it out..

              Jimmy Saville was a sexual predator..

              We now know he committed sexual abuse crimes through out his life

              There is ABSOLUTELY NO suggestion he commited those crimes in only one place, indeed the exact opposite. Saville committed crimes where ever he was and where ever he had 'dens' or 'bases' like the old fox he was..

              Jack the Ripper opporated like Saville
              We don't know that the ripper committed 'predator' type crimes throughout his life, nor that he was tied to the Whitechapel area and would otherwise have committed murder wherever he went.

              My only conclusion was that people with addictions (largely to sex) behave much like smokers ie they are always addicted,, where ever they go..
              But smoking and other such addictions, like alcohol and gambling, are not criminal offences and are usually indulged on a daily basis, while sexual abuse, rape and murder can get you into serious bother and offenders can control themselves, often for long periods, between their crimes. While the ripper may have become addicted to preying on a certain type of woman, he evidently managed to control himself between his murders, including the whole of October. He could easily have walked to a different location and picked up women there if his addiction was too strong to resist, as you suggest, but he didn't.

              Killing only in the Whitechapel area could have been part of the addiction - the thrill if you will - just as Colin Ireland was evidently fixated upon that one pub in Fulham for his jollies.

              Love,

              Caz
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View Post
                You still havnt explained how Maybrick, if he visited verious towns and places of business around the UK, WHY?????? he only committed attacks in Whitchapel. The examples of Ireland and Dixie don't explain this!
                But Jeff, I have not been arguing for Maybrick committing any attacks, anywhere. As I keep saying, I am merely using the example of Ireland to demonstrate that the 'rule' you are using to argue against such a 'commuter' killer is invalid. It happens - even if it's very rare. So is serial murder, thankfully, and each case is as unique as the offender chooses it to be. I don't need to provide 'another' example. One is enough to contradict the premise that the ripper (whoever he was) would have killed everywhere he went, if only he didn't have his foot nailed to the ground in Whitechapel.

                Maybrick must have attacted in other towns if he was the ripper
                No 'must' about it. If he was the ripper he may have attacked elsewhere, but only if the opportunity had presented itself and he had felt equally comfortable there.

                Love,

                Caz
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View Post
                  I personally think Ireland was more interested in a easy pick up place that he was familiar with... Whitechapel was no easier a pick up place than any other for whores in UK at that time

                  Yours Jeff
                  Whitechapel was arguably the easiest and most familiar pick up place for the ripper, whoever he was, just as Ireland must have found that pub the best place for him personally, despite living on the Essex coast and having to steal the money for his train fares!

                  That doesn't tell us where the ripper was living or working at the time.

                  Love,

                  Caz
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                  • #54
                    Interestingly while we were discussing this Colin Ireland appears to have died.

                    http://converseprisonnews.com/catego...curity-prisons

                    I guess that we are not going to totally agree on this: Your arguing that because one killer travelled to a single pub then there is a precident and its therefore possible that JtR could have behaved like this..

                    I dont necessarily disagree that it is possible. My argument is that Serial killers dont usually operate like this and it seems more probable to me that Jack acted like most Opportunistic Serial killers rather than one single rare exception.

                    What seems more interesting about Ireland is that he clearly researched serial killer behaviour before he committed the murders and the Maybrick story would have been in the public domain about the time.

                    I'm not certain I can agree that Whitechapel was in anyway unique as a place to pick up prostitutes (It certainly wasnt after Chapman's murder). Ireland went to one specific bar where he knew he would be approached by Gay men.. I'm not certain the streets of an area compare in the same way.. (The police hadnt connected the murders and the victims werent on there toes) But then I'm not an expert (Beleive it or not) on Gay pick-up places.

                    Its interesting that Ireland appears to have figured out his MO long before putting it into practice. Being a serial killer seems to have been a bigger motivation than the victims themselves

                    Yours Jeff

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