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    Hi all. Latest eBay purchase is from a seller in Scotland, selling a cabinet card he estimates to be 1890s (no writing on markings in any way whatsoever). He guessed it was a JTR crime scene shot - I soon reassured him that wasn't the case.

    However, this certainly DOES appear to be a shot of a crime scene, probably a murder, and it does appear to be more than 100 years old. It appears that the act took place at the rear of a #16 and #s 12 and 18 play some part. It looks like Victorian semis in front.

    Any notions, anyone?

    PHILIP

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    Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd

  • #2
    Hello Philip

    Fascinating. A great buy, if I might say so. And a fine puzzle as well. Er, as if we needed one more puzzle to solve!

    Here are a few observations.

    1. It might be a police crime scene photograph or it might be equally a photographic exhibit that was used in a trial.

    2. You might be right that it is a photograph of a murder scene although I might submit, m' Lord, that it could be the scene of some other crime, say an aggravated assault or rape where the victim survived.

    3. The numbers on the photograph are probably house numbers, designating the back garden gate of the respective houses. This alone might help you identify the location.

    4. If it was from a Scottish seller it might conceivably be of a crime scene somewhere in Scotland. You have probably thought of this already. The evident rainy or foggy weather might bear out that it is Scotland.

    5. Don't be too hasty to put an 1890's date on the scene. It might be equally early twentieth century. I can't make out if the material in the fence at right is wooden planking or corrugated iron. If the latter, I wonder when corrugated iron came into common use?

    I hope these thoughts prove helpful. Good luck in solving the puzzle, Philip.

    Cheers

    Chris
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    • #3
      Hi Phil
      very interesting - can't cast any light but the version below MAY be a little be easier to see detail
      Chris
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      • #4
        That is corrugated iron at the back of # 18. Corrugated iron was invented in the 1840's so no clue there then. The mounting however looks Edwardian.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Phillip Walton View Post
          That is corrugated iron at the back of # 18. Corrugated iron was invented in the 1840's so no clue there then. The mounting however looks Edwardian.
          Hi Philip
          Agreed - the flourish on the frame (see below) is unmistakably Art Nouveau which would place the mount to late 1890s or very early 1900s
          Chris
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          • #6
            This doesnt answer any of the queries but what is the arrow all about?
            "be just and fear not"

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            • #7
              Hi all. Thanks for the info thus far. The roof of the shed/privvy at the back of #18 is indeed corrugated iron. Jenni, I reckon the arrow shows the direction the assailant or victim was travelling in.

              PHILIP
              Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd

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              • #8
                Maybe someone was attacked outside #18 but collapsed outside #12. #12 must be indicated for a reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by George Hutchinson View Post
                  Hi all. Thanks for the info thus far. The roof of the shed/privvy at the back of #18 is indeed corrugated iron. Jenni, I reckon the arrow shows the direction the assailant or victim was travelling in.

                  PHILIP
                  Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                  Maybe someone was attacked outside #18 but collapsed outside #12. #12 must be indicated for a reason.
                  I would agree with these assessments. The JtR Forums Detective Agency is making progress. Carry on, chaps.
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                  • #10
                    The dog didn't bark.
                    SPERO IN DEO

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                    • #11
                      The killer clearly had four legs.

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                      • #12
                        The Mystery solved ???

                        I believe this may be the murder site of Wilma McCann on 30th October 1975.
                        First victim of the Yorkshire Ripper.
                        She was found 100 yards from her house, on the edge of Prince Philip playing fields in Leeds.

                        If not convinced check out youtube clip attached frame 1:40

                        Same fence and house locations, 1970's leeds def mistaken for 1890's even today lol

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqvkx2diqCQ

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                        • #13
                          Rick:

                          Is this the clip ?

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                          • #14
                            Yeah , theres a few clips in the programme but i believe some of the trees may have been cut down between when the photo was taken and the documentary was shot.
                            I could be wrong but i thought it bore similarity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by How Brown View Post
                              Rick:

                              Is this the clip ?

                              The buildings in the background are completely different and the picture dates from the 1920's at the latest.

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