Barbara Waterhouse

[Howard Brown]

Cleveland Plain Dealer
June 12, 1891
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[Jerry Dunlop]

Finally a happy ending. This guy was caught and hanged, Howard. Wonder if he was the boy Gill's killer too. Leeds and Bradford are fairly close.

London St James Gazette August 18, 1891

[Howard Brown]

Damn, JD....its only 12 miles to Bradford from Leeds...good thinking.
I've seen this case mentioned from time to time, but never examined it closely before.
Thanks again and you might be on to something about him committing the 1888 murder.
Where did he live in 1888 ?

[Jerry Dunlop]

Howard,

This article (link below) has Turner working in Horsforth. Look at the name of the man convicted with him and sentenced to death at the end of the article. His mother was also convicted.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...M18910911.2.23

[Howard Brown]

Jerry:
Who was this Conway and how did he figure in the crime ?

Makes you wonder about the 'single killer' theory in the WM, doesn't it ?

[Robert Linford]

From the 1891 census, the couple in Crown St appear to have been Thomas and Jessie Joy, both deaf and dumb. They seem to have been living at the back of 1 Crown St. Thomas was a bookbinder, with 5 offspring.

Thomas and Jessie were married in 1877, and Jessie's surname at the time was 'Turner' so she may well have been a relation.

[Jerry Dunlop]

Jerry:
Who was this Conway and how did he figure in the crime ?

Makes you wonder about the 'single killer' theory in the WM, doesn't it ?

I don't know who Conway is, yet. But to answer your question, I am one of the odd ones that thinks there was more than one person involved in the Whitechapel murders anyway.

[Jerry Dunlop]

Thanks Robert,

Sounds like a good chance they were related, eh?

[Robert Linford]

I think they were, Jerry - father George, mother Ann, sisters Jessie and Ellen (1871 census).

[Jerry Dunlop]

Damn, JD....its only 12 miles to Bradford from Leeds...good thinking.
I've seen this case mentioned from time to time, but never examined it closely before.
Thanks again and you might be on to something about him committing the 1888 murder.
Where did he live in 1888 ?

I found an article I will try to post later of a Walter Lewis Turner, weaver, attempting to murder his wife by slashing her throat. This was in Shipley, a suburb of Bradford and the date is August 24, 1889. Maybe a good chance this guy was a serial killer running loose up Bradford way and also a good chance he killed John Gill!

[Robert Linford]

Thanks Jerry.

He got only 9 months for that.

[Debra Arif]

Jerry:
Who was this Conway and how did he figure in the crime ?

Makes you wonder about the 'single killer' theory in the WM, doesn't it ?

How and Jerry

John Conway was convicted of the 1891 dismemberment murder of a boy named Nicholas Martin and dumping his remains in a sack in the Mersey Dock . The two mutilation cases were often mentioned in the same paragraph in the papers as the trials were running at the same time.

[Jerry Dunlop]

London Mid Surrey Times And General Advertiser August 24, 1889

[Robert Linford]

Interesting to look at the crimes and sentences on the same page. A man who tried to rape a 10-year-old girl got only six weeks.

[Jerry Dunlop]

How and Jerry

John Conway was convicted of the 1891 dismemberment murder of a boy named Nicholas Martin and dumping his remains in a sack in the Mersey Dock . The two mutilation cases were often mentioned in the same paragraph in the papers as the trials were running at the same time.

Ah, thanks Debs!

I think I have read about that case. The boy was in a sailors bag with initials on it that was fished out of the water? Is that the one? I never knew they caught the guy.