Charles Ludwig; characters and places

[Jose Oranto]

Last address of interpreter Herman David Smaje. He appeared in the Post Office London Directory for 1890, but had died in December [?] 1889.

[Jose Oranto]

Alec Fienberg's criminal record
Died June, 5 1932 in Stepney

[Jose Oranto]

On the other hand I have given up looking for 'Alexandre Feinberg'. I think it was said that he was Polish... I have no idea about Polish surnames, but I found several German surnames ending in 'berg', also, I remember that on Mulberry St there were no less than four German families with surnames ending in 'berg' . However, I find no trace of this Alexandre and his mother anyway.

I finally managed to track down Alexander Freinberg. His real name was Alek Fienburg (GRO birth certificate), Alec Fienberg (census 1871), Alexandre Fineberg (GRO death certificate), born in Bristol. In the 1881 census he appears living at 52 Goulston St, in the 1891 census his mother Caroline (nee Cohen), born in Germany, appears at 51 Leman Street and in the 1888 Post Office Directory Caroline is listed at 49 Leman Street.

[Jose Oranto]

*Edit: I see this was discussed in another thread recently opened. I agree that she was the same person in both cases.

Hi Jose.

I think the woman attacked by Ludwig is an important character to research in this case. The following press reports show that "One armed Liz", witness in the in the Elizabeth Stride case, and Elizabeth Burns, the woman attacked by Charles Ludwig, are one and the same. It's interesting to see she was instructed to "keep the matter to herself". Perhaps due to the fact she was a witness in a case against Ludwig at the time?


Regarding Ludwig's attack of a woman on September 18th:

Daily Telegraph,
Sept 19, 1888

The woman who complained that the prisoner had threatened her has not been found, but there should be little difficulty in discovering her whereabouts, as she has only one arm.

Echo
2 October 1888
A German, giving his name as Charles Ludwig, was charged at the Thames Police-court, to-day, with threatening to stab Elizabeth Burns, of 55, Flower and Dean-street, Spitalfields, and also with threatening to stab Alexander Finlay, of 51, Leman-street, Whitechapel.


Regarding "One Armed Liz", witness in the Stride case.

Morning Advertiser (London)
1 October 1888

It is pretty certain, however, that the murdered woman has been identified. A woman who is known as "One Armed Liz," living in a common lodging house in Flower and Dean street, informed a representative of the Press that she accompanied Sergeant Thicke to St. George's mortuary and had identified the body as that of Annie Morris, an unfortunate, living in a common lodging house in the neighbourhood of Flower and Dean street. "One Armed Liz" refused to give further information, as she said she had been instructed to keep the matter to herself.

Thank you very much Jerry for the selection of reports and for bringing it here.

I also agree, the sketch shared by How (which for some reason I can't find now) is clearly not of an 18 year old, but of one 'old lady', so there is little doubt for me that it is the woman found by Debra in the records of Whitechapel Infirmary... would however be interested in any further little progress that might have been made on this

https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/the-...rmed-liz/page3

On the other hand I have given up looking for 'Alexandre Feinberg'. I think it was said that he was Polish... I have no idea about Polish surnames, but I found several German surnames ending in 'berg', also, I remember that on Mulberry St there were no less than four German families with surnames ending in 'berg' . However, I find no trace of this Alexandre and his mother anyway.

[Jerry Dunlop]

*Edit: I see this was discussed in another thread recently opened. I agree that she was the same person in both cases.

Hi Jose.

I think the woman attacked by Ludwig is an important character to research in this case. The following press reports show that "One armed Liz", witness in the in the Elizabeth Stride case, and Elizabeth Burns, the woman attacked by Charles Ludwig, are one and the same. It's interesting to see she was instructed to "keep the matter to herself". Perhaps due to the fact she was a witness in a case against Ludwig at the time?


Regarding Ludwig's attack of a woman on September 18th:

Daily Telegraph,
Sept 19, 1888

The woman who complained that the prisoner had threatened her has not been found, but there should be little difficulty in discovering her whereabouts, as she has only one arm.

Echo
2 October 1888
A German, giving his name as Charles Ludwig, was charged at the Thames Police-court, to-day, with threatening to stab Elizabeth Burns, of 55, Flower and Dean-street, Spitalfields, and also with threatening to stab Alexander Finlay, of 51, Leman-street, Whitechapel.


Regarding "One Armed Liz", witness in the Stride case.

Morning Advertiser (London)
1 October 1888

It is pretty certain, however, that the murdered woman has been identified. A woman who is known as "One Armed Liz," living in a common lodging house in Flower and Dean street, informed a representative of the Press that she accompanied Sergeant Thicke to St. George's mortuary and had identified the body as that of Annie Morris, an unfortunate, living in a common lodging house in the neighbourhood of Flower and Dean street. "One Armed Liz" refused to give further information, as she said she had been instructed to keep the matter to herself.

[Scott Nelson]

If I'm not mistaken, Judah Assenheim, pickle dealer, was the father of Joseph, the owner of the ice cream shop. (Edit: I think I'm wrong)

Too bad, they could have made a small fortune serving pregnant women.

[Rob Clack]

I'm not 100% certain but I think they are two different people. Judah was at St Marks Street all the way up to 1914. My doubt would be that the Ice Cream would only need to be produced on Sundays so would he close the Chandlers that day?

[Jose Oranto]

Mystery solved. In 1888 56 Stoney Lane was 7a Stoney Lane. Part of the Artizan Dwellings Buildings which went from Harrow Lane to Stoney Lane. Sometime between 1899 and 1914 Stoney Lane extended from Middlesex Street to Houndsditch and there was renumbering. 7a became 56.
There is nothing in the street directory for 7a in 1888. In 1895 there is Mrs Leah Assenheim, Milliner. She is there in 1899 as well and in 1914 it is Joseph Assenheim, Ice Cream Maker.

This postcard shows Middlesex Street at the Stoney Lane junction. The Assenheim shop at number 40 was number 77 when this photo was taken.

Awesome, Rob!

I have transcribed this report shared by a person in a family tree of Judah "Lawrence" Assenheim (1870-1930) on Ancestry. Surely you understand it better than me... Would the Judah pickle dealer be the same as the ice cream maker?

The Weekly Standard and Express
24 June 1899

The Hokey-Pokey Champion
Open to Make a Match with Anybody in the World
If any reader fancies his power in the seductive art of hokey-pokey making he is invited to try conclusions wit Tommy Rochford.
It takes a good deal to disturb the usual calm of an editorial office, but when the office boy announced that "the champion hokey-pokey maker of the world" was waiting to see the editor of a London evening paper, there was a mild futter of excitement.
Accompalying this intimation was the following note:
Tommy from Assenheim's of No 7A, Stoney-lane, Houndsditch, is open to challenge the world at large for from five to ten pounds in making ten boxes of hokey-pokeys by doing their own work will give anybody one hour's start. Judah or Joe Assenheim preferred.
We are a sporting nation and one frequently tumblee across the gentlement who can clean more [?] in a given time than any other person, polish more pewter pots, dress a carcase of beef, or wheel a barrow with two bushals of potatoes in it a given distance in less time than anybody else, but the man who is willing to take anybody and everybody on at making hokey-pokey was somebody out of ordinary. The office boy's eyes glistened when he was told to show the gentleman up. He obviously believed that the champion had brought some specimens of his work with him.
Tommy from Assenheim's bears his championship very modestly.
He explained his challenge in the following lucid language:
"One of 'em as I'm challengin' is the Guv'nor, that's Joe, don't you see, and o' course he might have some one to help 'im. But that ain't allowed. It's got to be from the bilin' to the finish"
"From the bilin' to the finish" included freezing, putting into moulds, taking out again, and cutting into squares and then wrapping the pink and white morsels in paper.
"There in't no animosity between me and the Guv'nor, don't you know," said the champion "It's friendly rivalry, like. Judah's his nephew."
"How did the challenge come to be issued?" "It was like this, yer see . I was a-workin' when the Guv'nor's son in law 'e come to me an' 'e says: 'and e thinks 'e can do you down at making hokey,"
"Oh, can 'e? I says: 'well, let 'im do it.' I says. 'I'll give 'im ten in thirty,' I says, 'and leave 'im a mile behind,' I says.' Well, I wanted 'im to put up a sovereign and bind a match, but 'e wouldn't, so now I'm offerin' this challenge."
It may be stated that each box contains four dozen pieces of hokey-pokey, so if this sporting event should come off each man will have to turn out 480 squares. Tommy reckons he can do the lot from "bilin to finish" in three hours and a half.
It will be noted that the champion prefers Joe or Judah, but the contest is open to the five Continents; in fact, Tommy says, "Let 'em all come."
"I been at the game twenty-five years in England, been all that time with Joe." added Tommy, "and afore that I was in 42nd Street, Bowery, New York. That's where I learnt my profession."

[Rob Clack]

Mystery solved. In 1888 56 Stoney Lane was 7a Stoney Lane. Part of the Artizan Dwellings Buildings which went from Harrow Lane to Stoney Lane. Sometime between 1899 and 1914 Stoney Lane extended from Middlesex Street to Houndsditch and there was renumbering. 7a became 56.
There is nothing in the street directory for 7a in 1888. In 1895 there is Mrs Leah Assenheim, Milliner. She is there in 1899 as well and in 1914 it is Joseph Assenheim, Ice Cream Maker.

This postcard shows Middlesex Street at the Stoney Lane junction. The Assenheim shop at number 40 was number 77 when this photo was taken.

[Jose Oranto]

My pleasure Jose. Quite an interesting section. The directory was wrong, it goes 37, Stoney Lane and then 38 (demolished). As you probably know Jacob Levy was at 36.

Quite interesting, it's a small world.

I found this couple of pictures on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/AssenheimFamily/

"This photo came up on a Jewish London site. It shows Joe Assenheim's (My great grandfather) ice cream stall in Petticoat Lane, London. The number 56 represents where the ice cream was manufactured... 56 Stoney Lane.
Posted by Irene Wise"

[Rob Clack]

My pleasure Jose. Quite an interesting section. The directory was wrong, it goes 37, Stoney Lane and then 38 (demolished). As you probably know Jacob Levy was at 36.

[Jose Oranto]

Hi Jose,

There was a Judah Assenheim at 40 Houndsditch on the corner with Stoney Lane. I don't think there was a 56 in Stoney Lane, it was a short road.

And Concordia was at 37.

Brilliant Rob

If I'm not mistaken, Judah Assenheim, pickle dealer, was the father of Joseph, the owner of the ice cream shop. (Edit: I think I'm wrong)

We not only have the number of the Concordia but also Richter's name, 'Henry'

Thank you very much!

[Rob Clack]

Hi Jose,

There was a Judah Assenheim at 40 Houndsditch on the corner with Stoney Lane. I don't think there was a 56 in Stoney Lane, it was a short road.

And Concordia was at 37.

[Jose Oranto]

Hello Jose

did you see the report from a hotel manager in Finsbury? I don’t know if the hotel is known? But from the date he was turned out, it would be at Johannes’ in Church Street? Or is it the German club, which also turned him out on Monday?

Hi Kattrup,

I don't think it's possible to determine which hotel it was from the scant data we have. We can only speculate... Ludwig, apparently, could not speak English, but he was talking to the hotel manager, that would indicate that he was also German or he could speak German. I have found a hotel called Seyd's Hotel, at 39 Finsbury Square owned by a 54 year old German man named William Julius Seyd. It was open from at least 1875 to 1889 (? when he passed away in January. Maybe his family continued with the business, I have not gone further)

[Jose Oranto]

Hello Jose

did you see the report from a hotel manager in Finsbury? I don’t know if the hotel is known? But from the date he was turned out, it would be at Johannes’ in Church Street? Or is it the German club, which also turned him out on Monday?

Thank you Kattrup

Unfortunately I don't think we have anything to trace back to the Finsbury hotel.

I think it was on Monday morning the 17th that Johannes asked him not to come back again. Around ten o'clock at night he went to the Concordia drunk and Mrs [from memory I think it was Mrs and not Mr] Richter kicked him out. Later, around one in the morning, he went to the Finsbury Hotel, where the manager refused him to stay.

What is strange is not finding Alexander Freinberg... "although he is already found"... we have his name and variants of it, age, address, nationality and job. I just wanted to locate him to confirm his name.