**Discussion- Albert Bachert Timeline By Dave James**

[Howard Brown]

Open for discussing Dave's outstanding compiliation.

[Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO]

A monumental task Dave - well done

I'll have a good read of that later

[Howard Brown]

DJ makes us old guys look good, eh Nemo ?

He's got 24 surnames there....which I think Tom Wescott theorized might have been his, Bachert's, own doing. Not a bad idea, in my book.

Bachert Backart Backbest Backers Backert Backest
Backet Backhert Baebert Barbert Barker Barkert
Baskert Baskett Batchard Bechart Bechert Beckett
Blackbest Bocker Bracker Brackert Bracket Albert Parker

There's only so many ways to spell Bachert...and he or the reporters found a way to get nearly all of them !

[Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO]

Seems impossible to get it so different each time unless it was intentional

Maybe he had a speech impediment

[Debra Arif]

Thanks, Dave

[Dave O]

Thanks for that compilation, Dave. I had never seen the account from Lloyd's 22 Feb 1891 of Bachert acting as a juror at one of Baxter's inquests shortly after being rejected for Frances Coles.

I've read of the coroner's ability to keep a jury locked up without food and drink, and seen an example of a coroner threatening to do it, but have never actually seen one go through with it, until now. That's good, good stuff.

Dave

[Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO]

I find that account hilarious

I'm a bit suspect to say the least of his statements about seeing Coles prior to her murder

Any thoughts on those incidents?

[Tom_Wescott]

DJ makes us old guys look good, eh Nemo ?

He's got 24 surnames there....which I think Tom Wescott theorized might have been his, Bachert's, own doing. Not a bad idea, in my book.

Bachert Backart Backbest Backers Backert Backest
Backet Backhert Baebert Barbert Barker Barkert
Baskert Baskett Batchard Bechart Bechert Beckett
Blackbest Bocker Bracker Brackert Bracket Albert Parker

There's only so many ways to spell Bachert...and he or the reporters found a way to get nearly all of them !

I think Bachert was a nuisance to the press and probably always stressed the spelling of his name, so it was decided among the journalists to misspell his name intentionally. Bachert was no dummy, and even misspelled his own name as 'Basket' in one of the letters to himself, even though I don't believe the press had used that variation of his name yet. Backbest is my current fave.

Great work Dave!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Dave James]

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses. And thanks to How for setting it up for me.

As I've said before, Albert (choose your own surname) fascinates me because he's a bit of an enigma.

My own feelings, based on snippets of info in various news reports is that AB was reasonably well educated, as evidenced in his letters to the press. His family were probably upper working class/middle class (the amounts of money reported in his fathers disappearance and the supposed theft from his father). They lived in a reasonably wealthy area (Booth's maps).

Albert had a skilled job (plate engraver) so was probably earning a good wage.

I think he was intelligent, and to start off with, got involved in things that concerned him (the state of Whitechapel etc).

In the end, I think he was like LFW and believed in his own legend.

Interesting, though, he's another of the major names in the JtR saga that just disappears! (George Hutchinson comes to mind.)

[Nashwan]

A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The Assizes

No. NAME. Age. TRADE. Degree of Instruction Name and Addess of Committing Magistrates. Date of Warrant. When Received into custody. Offence as charged in the Indictment. When tried. Offence as charged in the Indictment. When tried. Before whom tried. Verdict of the Jury. Particulars of Previous convictions charged in the Indictment and proved in Court. Sentence or order of the Court. No.

16 Backert, Albert ... Admitted to bail 7th Nov., 1889 21 Engraver Imp. Joseph Fry, Esq. Horn-church _ _ Unlawfully tendering and uttering to Emily Tarpin a counterfeit florin, at Barking, on the 3rd Nov., 1889, and another on the same day to the same person [3rd Dec.] [Hon. George Denman] Not guilty _ Severally acquitted, to be discharged 18

17 Norman, Henry ... Admited to bail 7th Nov., 1889 20 Clerk W. Joseph Fry, Esq. Horn-church
4th Nov. Remanded 7th Nov 14th Nov | 4th Nov [ditto] 3rd Dec. Ditto [Hon. George Denman] Not guilty _ Severally acquitted, to be discharged 17

18 Stanley, Albert, alias Waple .. Admitted to bail 18th Nov. 1889 18 Barman Imp. Joseph Fry, Esq. Horn-church _ _ [ditto] [ditto] Guilty (recom-mended to mercy) _ 4 calendar months' hard labour 18

[A49971] 19 Smith, John alias Huddy ... Surrey Sessions, 24th July, 1882, utter-ing, 15 calendar months Central Criminal Court, 20th April, 1885, possessing base coin, 5 years penal servitude 24 Gas fitter Imp. [ditto] 18th Nov Remanded 21st Nov 28th Nov | 18th Nov [ditto] [ditto] [ditto] Guilty _ 18 calendar months' hard labour 19

19 detained Feloniously tendering and uttering a counterfeit florin to Emily Turpin on the 3rd Nov., 1889 4th Dec. _ No evidence of-fered on this Indictment

16, 17, 18, and 19 further detained Feloniously stealing a quart pot of Henry Lucas, at Dagenham, on the 3rd. Nov., 1889 4th Dec. Hon. George Denman Severally not guilty

A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace - March 1893

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1893

No. NAME. Age. TRADE. Degree of Instrucion. Name and Address of Committing Magistrate. Date of Warrant. When received into Custody. Offence as charged in the Indictment. When tried. Before whom tried. Verdict of the Jury. Particulars of Previous Convictions charged in the Indictment and proved in Court. Sentene or Order of the Court. No.

*19 Albert Backert ... [X41869] 25 Engraver Well F. Mead, Esq. ... Thames Police Court Ditto ... [22nd Feb.] 10th Feb. Obtaining by false pretences from Elizabeth Pascoe 6 quarterns of bread and 6 quarterns of flour, value 4s. 6d., with intent to defraud. 6th Mar. G. D. Warry, Esq., Q.C. Guilty of Obtaining Goods by means of False Pre-tences _ 3 Calendar Months. Wormwood Scrubs Prison. 19*

[Robert Linford]

For convenience, here is a link to Dave's timeline :

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=18822

And here is a link to the Becker/Stiffens research thread :

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=15013

[Gary Barnett]

The references to Barking and Dagenham piqued my (local) interest, so I did a bit of digging and found this birth record in Romford, interestingly spelt slightly differentily from the man in the dock at nearby Hornchurch.



Probably just a coincidence.