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  • #16
    Most profiling is bollocks.

    The only exceptions I've encountered are victim analysis and geographic profile.

    The best Ripper profiling (actually best profiling period) remains Bond's, and he didn't claim to be using anything other than observation and common sense.
    "The Men who were not the Man who was not Jack the Ripper!"

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    • #17
      Hi Paul

      I know profiling isn't an exact science - but can it help with finding JTR? As you probably know, John Douglas compiled a profile of Jack for the FBI in 1988. I Would be interested in your thoughts. I apologise beforehand if this has been shown on the forums before.
      I think profiling to an extent is useful, simply because take profiling down to the bare bones and you have statistics and common sense.

      Do I think someone can look at the crimes and tell us confidently what jtr had for dinner no bit do I think they can tell us the average age, sex, local or not, then yes I do.

      I personally think John Douglas did as much damage to profiling as he did good, he made it about himself rather than the cases, how he solved them rather than the team. You don't see much on Roy Hazlewood Robert Keppel, and Robert Ressler as much as John Douglas and yet they were as much a part of gathering the knowledge we have today.

      Tracy
      If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Tracy Ianson View Post
        Hi Paul



        I think profiling to an extent is useful, simply because take profiling down to the bare bones and you have statistics and common sense.

        Do I think someone can look at the crimes and tell us confidently what jtr had for dinner no bit do I think they can tell us the average age, sex, local or not, then yes I do.

        I personally think John Douglas did as much damage to profiling as he did good, he made it about himself rather than the cases, how he solved them rather than the team. You don't see much on Roy Hazlewood Robert Keppel, and Robert Ressler as much as John Douglas and yet they were as much a part of gathering the knowledge we have today.

        Tracy
        By seemingly taking a "scientific" approach to criminal detection, the profilers brought a modern approach to criminology. However, you are correct, Magpie and Tracy, to an extent what they do is smoke and mirrors and the appropriate use of common sense.

        Movie and TV CSI to an extent does the same sort of thing. Of course fingerprinting and DNA have revolutionized the detection of criminal acts. But on the other hand a lot of what you see in movies and TVs is meant to dazzle the viewers. The tracking of killers still depends on shoe leather detection, the old, old method, and, yes, the windfall of fortune and luck (the perp makes that one mistake) and common sense logic.

        Best regards

        Chris
        Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
        https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

        Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
        Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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        • #19
          I don't know about dazzling the viewers, Chris - quite the opposite when it comes to torches. How come all these crime drama forensic guys have daft little torches?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
            I don't know about dazzling the viewers, Chris - quite the opposite when it comes to torches. How come all these crime drama forensic guys have daft little torches?
            The teensie weensie flashlight gives the viewer something to focus on.

            Similarly you might note that the sleuth or the detective generally has a smaller weapon than the bad guy. It all adds to the drama.

            What I am talking about is of course the overuse of digital displays and computer generated graphics. I've been watching a lot of older TV -- Alfred Hitchcock, The Twilight Zone, and Night Gallery, etc. -- and it's interesting how they back made maximum use of whatever technology they had... telephones, telegraph, typewriters, trains, radar, airplanes, etc., in their crime detecting.
            Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
            https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
            Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Magpie View Post
              Most profiling is bollocks.
              Well said! I couldn't agree more.

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              • #22
                Hi Robert
                I don't know about dazzling the viewers, Chris - quite the opposite when it comes to torches. How come all these crime drama forensic guys have daft little torches?
                Always about size with you guys isn't it

                Tracy
                If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                • #23
                  detecting

                  Hello Chris.

                  "it's interesting how they back made maximum use of whatever technology they had... telephones, telegraph, typewriters, trains, radar, airplanes, etc., in their crime detecting."

                  Yes, and that's what I've been on about for some time. Humans, being observant, can do a better job than even a computer.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tracy Ianson View Post
                    Hi Robert


                    Always about size with you guys isn't it

                    Tracy
                    That's what Henry VIII always used to say. Here represented by a reenactor who was one among a number of costumed figures evacuated from Hampton Court Palace during a fire alarm earlier this week.... photograph from Kate Morant's Twitter feed.

                    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                    https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                    • #25
                      Scotland forever.

                      Hello Chris. Bah! The Tudors were Welsh. Big deal.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl96vNqNjlg

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • #26
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9p_NFm6qk

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                        • #27
                          mystery

                          Hello Robert. Thanks.

                          Ah! Mystery of the kilt! (heh-heh)

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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