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  • The Long Island Serial Killer

    Thread for the discussion of LISK, the Long Island Serial Murderer. AKA The Craigslist Killer.

    The Wikipedia entry is a good place to start.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_serial_killer

  • #2
    Thanks Bob !
    Are you responsible for the entry ?
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    • #3
      I'd highly recommend "Lost Girls" by Robert Kolker. He explores the victims with so much empathy and compassion.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rob McCullough View Post
        I'd highly recommend "Lost Girls" by Robert Kolker. He explores the victims with so much empathy and compassion.
        It is a very fine piece of true crime writing; right up there with In Cold Blood in my humble opinion.

        A tremendous pleasure meeting you in Baltimore Rob!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
          Are you responsible for the entry ?
          Not at all How! Can't claim any credit whatsoever.

          However as public Wikis go, it's pretty darn good. Lays out many of the major issues without distortion.

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          • #6
            The game plan is - digital Gods allowing - for the Team Syphilis talk in Baltimore to go up as a Rippercast, along with our PowerPoint slides. Then hopefully discussions will flow.

            And as there is only so much you can get into in 80 minutes plenty of aspects of this complex case had to be ignored. I concentrated on Oak Beach in the talk because I feel that a lot of people - wrongfully - have fixated on Dr. Hackett as a suspect when I think it is clear SG was not a LISK victim and Hackett is merely guilty of some rather odd behavior, if that. And while "Lost Girls" is a fine piece of crime literature the victims' families largely drive the narrative of the book, which unfortunately leads the reader to downplay what has been a massive investigation tying in multiple LE groups.

            Mr. LISK is no fool and is a clever, calculating man. Whatever he truly is, he presents a very non-threatening persona to his victims, all of which seem to have grossly violated their normal safety protocols for meeting johns on the internet.

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            • #7
              The LISK case is very interesting and in my opinion is shares a lot in common with Jack the Torso Ripper. The LISK switches between dismemberment and dumping whole bodies. In 2000 in Manorville the killer dumped one decapitated/dismembered female in the woods and he dumped a male who not dismembered. Neither have ever been identified. The female victim has a tattoo but the police have refused to release an image of the tattoo after all these years despite the fact the girl who was dumped in almost the exact same spot three years later was identified through images released of her tattoo!

              Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

              On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

              “Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

              While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

              Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

              The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

              At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

              Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

              Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

              This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.” http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news18.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pipeman View Post
                The LISK case is very interesting and in my opinion is shares a lot in common with Jack the Torso Ripper.
                Small point at the start: which Torso killer are you referring to? Pinchin, the Thames, Cleveland etc? Usually when someone says Torso I think Thames but want to make sure.

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                • #9
                  The Thames, Pinchin, Whitehall, Jackson....popularly known as Jack the Ripper

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pipeman View Post
                    The Thames, Pinchin, Whitehall, Jackson....popularly known as Jack the Ripper
                    Interesting. So you ascribe all the Torso killings to the Whitechapel Murderer we call Jack the Ripper?

                    I'm not saying you are wrong just that it is not a common view.

                    Bit of a parallel with LISK in that all we can be certain of is the Gilgo 4 - but I think the actual body count is much much higher. But that is just a gut call.

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                    • #11
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us...in-prison.html

                      An Amateur vs. ISIS: A Car Salesman Investigates and Ends Up in Prison

                      A cautionary tale for the online sleuth.....

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                      • #12
                        Yes I think the Torso killer and the Ripper are the same person..and I think the all the bodies on Ocean Parkway, Manorville and some other places around LI are the same killer.

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                        • #13
                          Yes having researched this case extensively, if I ever come across a very good clue I wouldn't consider contacting the FBI or the corrupt Suffolk PD. I just don't trust them and they don't follow up on tips anyway. There are plenty of reports of people who tried to contact the FBI/police with tips and they were ignored. The strange thing about this case is, they've known their was a serial killer since 2000. There is a post on Casebook by a member who saw a mobile forensic lab and a bunch of cops searching the brush along OP where the bodies were discovered....back in 2004! That's 6 years before any of the bodies were found. The police also seem to completely ignore all the male victims which is very strange.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pipeman View Post
                            Yes having researched this case extensively, if I ever come across a very good clue I wouldn't consider contacting the FBI or the corrupt Suffolk PD. I just don't trust them and they don't follow up on tips anyway. There are plenty of reports of people who tried to contact the FBI/police with tips and they were ignored.
                            There are legitimate tipsters and then there are cranks, and I think LE approaches tipsters with caution.

                            There is a bigger issue and that is the LISK case involves numerous police/LE agencies and departments.

                            Let's make a list:

                            Minor roles
                            1) New Jersey police
                            2) Connecticut police

                            Major roles
                            3) FBI
                            4) New York City police
                            5) New York State police
                            6) Suffolk County police
                            7) Nassau County police

                            And I am probably leaving someone out! And of course within each police department you have Chiefs of Police, Head of Detectives, Coroners etc etc etc.

                            As I say with respect to JtR: never assign to malevolence or conspiracy what you can attribute to bureaucracy.

                            Just as Jack gave the police fits by dancing between the Met and City police beats, LISK has also been very clever. I actually think the effort to date to solve the case has been monumental especially when considering the possibility of clusterfuxks coordinating these many LE agencies.

                            Using the State Parks as dumping grounds was an inspired choice on behalf of Mr. LISK.

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                            • #15
                              Why State Parks? Do you have a theory

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