Jonathan A's Atlanta's Black Jack The Ripper of 1911 Forum

[Celesta]

Cellie:

Thanks very much for sharing that...
I think it unlikely that those three victims weren't killed by the same man, considering the choice of this strange "souvenir", that being the shoes.

I don't know. The mutilations didn't start until a bit later, so maybe that's also true of the shoe-taking, as well. There's not enough known, esp. as the Journal didn't seem to notice that a serial killer was at large until around June 15th. They noted the first killings, but that was about it, apparently.

[Stephen Thomas]

Of course this is reminiscent of the Atlanta Child Murders case of 1979-81.

One theory was that the convicted man was the agent of a white paedophile group.

All of the many children were picked up in Afro-American neighbourhoods where 'white people', apart from the police, never went.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_murders_of_1979%E2%80%931981

[George Lorton]

I don't know. The mutilations didn't start until a bit later, so maybe that's also true of the shoe-taking, as well. There's not enough known, esp. as the Journal didn't seem to notice that a serial killer was at large until around June 15th. They noted the first killings, but that was about it, apparently.

I agree Celesta,

Quite apparent indeed. I agree that it was one killer and think as I said in an earlier post that the police were a bit slack in this case and that they should of gotten a man of color to investigate the neighborhoods as given the prejudices of the time, the police then might of gotten more leads from the residents if a black detective was the one asking the questions.

Of course this is reminiscent of the Atlanta Child Murders case of 1979-81.

I thought so too. Except the Child Murders of the late 70's would of been reminiscant of these ripper like murders. I wonder if anyone who was alive then the first murders were happening was around while the Child murders where going on or if the city even remembered them?

[Celesta]

I wonder if anyone who was alive then the first murders were happening was around while the Child murders where going on or if the city even remembered them?

I don't know, but I suppose there might be something somewhere that refers to that. I have been trying for days to think of anyone I know who would have heard their own parents speak of the murders. There is only one elderly woman left, and she's 88 years old and has Altzheimer's.

[Celesta]

Of course this is reminiscent of the Atlanta Child Murders case of 1979-81.

One theory was that the convicted man was the agent of a white paedophile group.

All of the many children were picked up in Afro-American neighbourhoods where 'white people', apart from the police, never went.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta...9%E2%80%931981

I don't really know enough about these killings to say much. I wasn't living here when it happened but visited my family for the holidays, and I can tell you that everyone here was frightened. My mother shivered when she told me about all that had been going on. The people I talked to, and what I saw on the local news, made me think that no one thought any child was immune to what was happening.

[Howard Brown]

Removed her heart !!!


Staunton (Va.) Spectator & Vindicator
November 24, 1911
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[Howard Brown]

I never thought of it, but the Atlanta "Ripper" killed 16 in less than one year.

The Sun
NYC
February 17, 1912
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[Howard Brown]

I don't recall reading about the very fortunate Emmy Sharp,.

Trenton Evening Times
July 12, 1911
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[Howard Brown]

A Knowledge Of Anatomy....?

Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper
July 4, 1911
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[Stan Reid]

If I remember correctly, the victim's daughter was the only person who supposedly saw the killer making a strike; if so, her description is what we have to trust (or distrust). It seems pretty general but, if you are being stabbed, you probably aren't checking for scars or warts.

[Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO]

Amazing how no blood trails are mentioned as in the JtR case

An aspect of the investigation is mentioned there that came to my mind the other day when reading about the dissection and study of FB Deeming's body and brain

In one of the reports above, it mentions that after arrest, this maniac will make an interesting study

Why does it appear that Kosminski was not studied in any such manner after his identification as JtR?

The interest in the character and mental make-up of Jack the Ripper must have been immense

[Howard Brown]

Why does it appear that Kosminski was not studied in any such manner after his identification as JtR?

One of the most nagging questions for certain, Neems....
Might it not have had something to do with his less-than-violent, docile behavior for the better part of his stay in the asylum ?
Maybe they figured he'd shot his bolt and was, forever after, going to be a manageable patient/inmate.

Those are only guesses, old bean. It really bothers me that they didn't bring in females from the general area the crimes occurred in to give him a look over...because to me, it is hard to accept that he was 100 percent "successful" and didn't botch at least one attempt at murder or come off as being of a man of evil intent with one or more local prosses....with the intended victim being able to finagle their way out of a deadly liason.
Although, that may have been the case, where Kozminski-as-Ripper, may have been successful 100 percent of the time.

[Stan Reid]

If I remember correctly, the victim's daughter was the only person who supposedly saw the killer making a strike; if so, her description is what we have to trust (or distrust). It seems pretty general but, if you are being stabbed, you probably aren't checking for scars or warts.

I think the murder victim in this case was Lena Sharp, 40. The fact that the killer went on a short hiatus after this attack is an indication that the man who assaulted Sharp's daughter was the actual murderer, that is, the near miss and description made him more wary.

[Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO]

Yes Howard - there would be many ways Kosminski's guilt could have been tested to add weight to the conclusion he was the Ripper

There was a great interest in criminal "types" in the LVP and beyond and it seems strange that the Ripper was not studied physically and mentally

This goes toward my own conclusion that the Seaside Home ID was not considered as definitive at the time

I'll have to look more into the Atlanta Ripper as it seems a very interesting case and with some relevance to the investigation into JtR

[Howard Brown]

This goes toward my own conclusion that the Seaside Home ID was not considered as definitive at the time---Nemo

Make that the two of us, Nemo