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    Somewhere on this site ,we already have this story available.

    I thought it might be interesting for those who are unfamiliar with the Brame story to see it again.

    Its also covered in the new A to Z on page 19.


    The North-Eastern Daily Gazette
    Middlesbrough
    Monday, August 24, 1896
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    The North-Eastern Daily Gazette
    Monday, October 19, 1896
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      The Yorkshire Herald
      Wednesday, October 21, 1896
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      • #4
        Hi Howard

        Thanks for posting these news stories on the intriguing sailor suspect, John Anderson. Here on Casebook is the variation of the story, as run in the Galveston Daily News of December 6, 1897, that calls the supect "Sanderson" and gives the vessel sailing to South America as "Annie Laurie" rather than "Annie Speer" as in the original Lloyds Weekly News article and as related in the October 19, 1896 North-Eastern Daily Gazette story you posted.

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        • #5
          Interesting that the "blotchy" faced man with a carroty moustache seems to be indicated, with the mention of an accomplice to aid in his escape, probably wide-awake man

          Isn't it also notable that the man's story was seen in a lesser light because the man was deemed to be a bit "cracked"?

          Makes you wonder if Kosminski had confessed, then he would have been let free due to his insanity, indicated by his confession

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          • #6
            Makes you wonder if Kosminski had confessed, then he would have been let free due to his insanity, indicated by his confession -Nemo

            I agree Neems...its possible,isn't it ?
            That could also apply to anyone who was deemed a kook.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nemo View Post
              Interesting that the "blotchy" faced man with a carroty moustache seems to be indicated, with the mention of an accomplice to aid in his escape, probably wide-awake man

              Isn't it also notable that the man's story was seen in a lesser light because the man was deemed to be a bit "cracked"?

              Makes you wonder if Kosminski had confessed, then he would have been let free due to his insanity, indicated by his confession
              It's also interesting to note that Macnaghten/Anderson agree that their respective suspects were maniacs. And that, to quote Sir Robert Anderson, is a definitely ascertained fact. You can take to your Ripper bank.
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              • #8
                The Annie Speer... the ship that self-confessed suspect John Anderson sailed on. I tracked down this photograph through a maritime site on which our old friend Jimmy Jenks had been making some enquiries about the ship

                The ship by this time had been renamed Ceres (ex-Bankleigh) and would eventually be broken up in Rotterdam in 1924 after it had grounded at Point Cloates, Western Australia. More history on the ship here in a thread where a maritime expert responded to Jimmy's request for information.



                Date(s) of creation: [ca. 1910-ca. 1920]
                postcard : printed, b&w ; 8.8 x 13.8 cm. approx.
                Reproduction rights owned by the State Library of Victoria
                Accession Number: H27568/77
                Image Number: a12981
                (The State Library of Victoria states that it is okay to use this image for educational purposes; contact them if anyone wishes to use the image in a book or article.)

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                • #9
                  Butcher Business

                  This article contains a little more meat than previous articles on Brame's suspect, John Anderson.

                  Augusta Chronicle
                  December 9, 1897
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                  • #10
                    Here's a reporter actually following up on John Anderson. It has interesting information including his working as a herdsman for cattle boats and his being arrested for a "Ripper crime" but being released. I thought they were talking about Frances Coles in the article....


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                    The People

                    London, London, England
                    06 Sep 1896, Sun • Page 11

                    https://www.newspapers.com/clip/100914248/the-people/

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                      This is the full page, Mark
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                      • #12
                        Based on the article, there should be a report of arrest and court appearance for “John Anderson” sometime between the middle of 1891 when he returned from his voyage in February and his death in 1894.

                        I think it says he made 3 appearances in Thames Court.

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                        • #13
                          Hmm, a seaman cattle driver with a Scandinavian name, sailing to South America - I'm reminded of Christian Hansen, a Danish sailor/cattle driver who committed suicide in 1904.

                          He was sailing on a ship from Buenoes Aires to Liverpool.

                          He told his shipmates that in Buenos Aires, he’d raped the underage daughter of a police officer. He was therefore convinced that the police would be waiting for him upon arrival. He disappeared from the ship one night somewhere in the Atlantic and it was concluded that he’d committed suicide rather than be caught.

                          While on the ship, he also claimed to have killed in Denmark in 1902, an unsolved murder where a young woman was found with her throat cut.

                          John Anderson's death has never been corroborated, I think, so perhaps they're one and the same

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                          • #14
                            I tried Newspapers.com and the British Newspaper Archives but I couldn’t find any arrest or court appearance for John Anderson between 1891-84. Maybe it was just a hearsay case based on the “certain remarks” he made, and they weren’t interested.

                            I’m thinking this herdsman could be George Damon’s Danish (read Viking) farmhand/stable hand.

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                            • #15
                              I think this is John Anderson’s Civil Death Record. It has him at age 64 dying in 1896,

                              Johanes Anderson


                              in the Chile, Civil Registration, 1885-1903
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                              Johanes Anderson
                              Hombre (Male)
                              64
                              defunción (Death)
                              1832
                              17 ene 1896 (17 Jan 1896)
                              Iquique, Iquique, Tarapacá, Chile
                              Cert. No. 80
                              Film No. 004701918

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