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  • #16
    Mark:

    Nice work, per usual.

    However.....I seriously doubt that this fellow was C. Kniclo-The Farmhand. C. Kniclo was described as being in his early thirties...and aside from that, a 59 year old sailor like this John Anderson doing land lubber ( physical, digging, moving the earth) work seems a major stretch. IMHO.

    Nevertheless, what you've shared is the first time this information on this man has ever been viewed in this context. Fine work, Mark.
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    • #17
      Unless they mixed up his age with his birth year, this is not our hombre i.e. Damon’s “farmhand”.

      It definitely has to be our John Anderson although the newspaper reports were off on date of death and apparently off on age as well.

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      • #18
        Here's some added information from the record image:

        Johanes Anderson


        in the Chile, Civil Registration, 1885-1903
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        Johanes [Johannes] Anderson
        Hombre (Male)
        64
        defunción (Death)
        1832
        17 ene 1896 (17 Jan 1896)
        Iquique, Iquique, Tarapacá, Chile
        Nationality: Danish
        Occupation: Shoemaker

        Marital Status: Widowed spouse's name unknown
        Parent's Names: Unknown
        Address: 21 Esmeralda

        Time of Death: 11:30 at night
        Cause of Death: Acute Hepatitis
        Cemetery: charity number two

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        • #19
          Mark:

          Again, this is fine work. Initially looking for our Danish Farmhand, you serendipitously come across the answer to who the man John Brame had claimed having confessed to the Whitechapel Murders was. Seriously dude, very good work !
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Markus Aurelius Franzoi View Post
            Here's some added information from the record image:

            Johanes Anderson


            in the Chile, Civil Registration, 1885-1903
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            Johanes [Johannes] Anderson
            Hombre (Male)
            64
            defunción (Death)
            1832
            17 ene 1896 (17 Jan 1896)
            Iquique, Iquique, Tarapacá, Chile
            Nationality: Danish
            Occupation: Shoemaker

            Marital Status: Widowed spouse's name unknown
            Parent's Names: Unknown
            Address: 21 Esmeralda

            Time of Death: 11:30 at night
            Cause of Death: Acute Hepatitis
            Remarks: charity number two
            Very nice, MAF.

            There are a few Johannes Andersen born in the right year and listed as shoemakers. One decent candidate would be Johannes Vigand or Wigand Andersen, born 1832 in Vejle. The reason he is perhaps a little more relevant than some of the others is that he seems to be no longer listed in census information after 1860. Perhaps indicating that he emigrated.

            I'll have a look at the Danish Foreign Ministry correspondance with the consulate in Iquique. There would likely be some notice about his death.

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            • #21

              ander.jpg

              The People

              I'm still not sure which murder Anderson was arrested for. They could actually be talking about the Pinchin St. Torso or Rose Mylet.

              Like Coles, the remains were found in an archway that was the property of the Great Eastern Railway. Mylet was described as found in an actual "cul-de-sac" as in the Anderson article.

              Three sailors were detained in the Pinchin St Torso according to this:

              https://www.newspapers.com/clip/7026...daily-gazette/

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              • #22
                Mark:

                The three sailors were released shortly after their detention. They were sleeping under the arch.
                I've added the Sept. 11, 1888 North-Eastern Gazette
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                • #23
                  Rose Mylett was reported to be a frequent patient at the Bromley Sick Asylum. In 1896, John Anderson reportedly said he was living on a farm in Bromley during the Ripper murders and, sometime back then, he made remarks that caused him to be arrested under suspicion of murdering a "Ripper victim" in a "cul-de-sac", again according to reports in 1896. Nothing earlier I can find.

                  https://www.casebook.org/press_repor...l?printer=true

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                  • #24
                    Now I'm almost sure they're talking about Rose Mylett.

                    The report said Anderson was charged with the 7th murder and the most "awkwardly managed" one. Awkwardly managed by whom?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Markus Aurelius Franzoi View Post
                      Now I'm almost sure they're talking about Rose Mylett.

                      The report said Anderson was charged with the 7th murder and the most "awkwardly managed" one. Awkwardly managed by whom?
                      Could they not just be mixing up Anderson with Sadler? As far as I can see the site of Rose Mylett's murder wasn't under a railway, but some distance away:
                      https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...681#post185681

                      James Sadler was charged with the murder of Frances Coles at Thames Police Court. The site of her murder wasn't a cul de sac, but it was an alleyway under the railway.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                        Mark:

                        Again, this is fine work. Initially looking for our Danish Farmhand, you serendipitously come across the answer to who the man John Brame had claimed having confessed to the Whitechapel Murders was. Seriously dude, very good work !
                        I've always been intrigued (if skeptical) of Brame's story, and it is fantastic to see these records have been digitized, but are we sure this is the right answer?

                        Not to be Captain Bringdown, but Brame described a thirty-something able bodied seaman who was working as a cook.

                        This 'Johanes Anderson' is a sixty-four year old Danish shoemaker--which, the name aside, is quite a stretch for the man described by Brame.

                        At first blush the name coincidence does seem impressive, but looking through the records there appears to be quite a few foreign nationals living in Iquique, Chile in the mid-1890s, evidently having gone there to work the mines.

                        Two months later (March 1896), there is a British cook who did indeed die in Iquique, but his name is 'John Robinson' --not 'John Anderson'--and he is also 64.

                        I'm not sure either one of them is a very convincing match for the man described by Brame, and the 'Charity Two' designation (in the Johanes Anderson record) is a little strange for someone supposedly working for a British company.

                        For what it is worth--here is John Robinson, the cook.

                        John Robinson.jpg

                        Ingles = English

                        cocinero = cook

                        This record shows Robinson died in a hospital; the Danish shoemaker may have been in a residential home--more research would be needed, but it might be another strike against the identification.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Chris Phillips View Post
                          Could they not just be mixing up Anderson with Sadler? As far as I can see the site of Rose Mylett's murder wasn't under a railway, but some distance away:
                          https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...681#post185681

                          James Sadler was charged with the murder of Frances Coles at Thames Police Court. The site of her murder wasn't a cul de sac, but it was an alleyway under the railway.
                          You might be right about the report referring to Frances Coles. It could be seen as more "awkwardly" mismanaged than Rose Mylett with respect to the Sadler arrest as opposed to thinking Mylett choked to death instead of being strangled. But I don't know if a reporter would call Frances Coles the 7th Ripper murder.

                          The People report did also say the reporter inquired in Bromley at Anderson's last place of residence and there was another report that Scotland Yard looked into it and ended up believing the confession was a delusion for the reason that Anderson was at sea at the time of the murder, whichever one it was. Sadler would not have been at sea when Coles was murdered. So unless they were confusing two murders (he reportedly being at sea for other ones), it can't be confusion with him.

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                          • #28
                            Rajah

                            ..I'm embarrassed that I didn't pick up on the age jawn. Thanks for pointing that out....you frig+<@$!spoilsport
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                              Nice work, per usual.

                              However.....I seriously doubt that this fellow was C. Kniclo-The Farmhand. C. Kniclo was described as being in his early thirties...and aside from that, a 59 year old sailor like this John Anderson doing land lubber ( physical, digging, moving the earth) work seems a major stretch. IMHO.
                              Well, Emil Totterman would have said he was 41 when he was 28. They'd be taking Anderson's word for it and, with a face reportedly ravaged from disease, he could have pulled it off. Or else there was a mix up between Que Anos and Cuantos Anos... So I wouldn't give up on the connection.

                              Just look at how Anderson's Ripper story meshes with the Farmhand. Both stories involve a possible Dane working on a "farm-like" house in or around 1891, one in Bromley and one in Cranford, and using it as a base of operations. Both brag about it and get away on ships.
                              Last edited by Markus Aurelius Franzoi; May 10, 2022, 04:50 PM. Reason: Changed Cranston to Cranford

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                              • #30
                                RJ,

                                You made me realize I completely missed this part - the witness section where the witness is Jorje Pederson.


                                NAME OF THE APPEARING PARTY [WITNESS/INFORMANT]

                                name Pedersen Jorje
                                age thirty-two years
                                profession trader
                                domicile Bolivar 111
                                witness of the identity believed by the officer
                                confirmed the death
                                by document 41

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